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In today's Epoc Digest 24 messages:

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- Nokia 8310 and Phoneman

- Contacts to Data

- Contacts vs. Data

- Revo Battery

- 9210 connection

- e-books

- Proms file

- RON / Bluetooth Headsets

- More Sheet tricks

- Photo5, Battery on Revo

- Re: Musings - What to do for a New PDA

- Re: Nokia 9210 Cal.vcs

- Re: 9210 and GPS

- Re: Psion Group Plc, netBook and Nokia 9210

- Re: Nokia 9210 and Psion-Teklogix netBook

- Re: Nokia 9210(i)

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 033

- Re: Travel Modem

- Freesurf in the UK / Travel Modem's tunnel / O2 NL / Direct Internet / Free+Ben

- Strange file called Cal.vcs

- 5MX & others available

- netBook & S7

- Nokia Communicator 9210 as Revo replacement?

- TomTom Navigator for EPOC

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 02:04:55 +0000

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Nokia 8310 and Phoneman

>Date: 19 Jul 2002 12:41:31 +0000

>From: Kevin Collins

>Subject: Re: Mako and Phoneman

>Hi folks.

>Gary, if I'm not mistaken, a patch for the 8310 may have come out in the = >past day or two, if you check www.zenobyte.com

> --

>Regards,

>Kevin [Cork, Ireland]

Kevin,

Thanks. Yes, a new patch did come out and I installed it right away after getting an email from Phoneman.

It works very well. I can now also write the exended phonebook from the Psion back to the phone.

Gary

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 02:05:06 +0000

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Contacts to Data

>Date: 19 Jul 2002 07:21:02 +0000

>From: "Alan Jones" >

>Subject: Contacts to Data

>I've a small freeware program called "c2f" which writes selected contacts = >fields to a text file, to then be imported into Data. I've never actually = >used it, so can't offer an opinion on whether it works or not....

>Should find it at TUCOWS or I can mail a copy if requested...

>AJ

AJ,

Thanks for the info. Do you need to have all fields you created in Contacts to have entries in them to transfer over faithfully to Data? This is a problem I keep encountering with the various methods I have tried. If all the fields in Contacts are not filled with entries, when you import them into Data, the contents of the fields get mixed up.

What I did was fill in all the fields in Contacts -- with a "X" where there was no actual need for an entry. Then all the fields transferred over faithfully and in the right order to Data. But it is a pain having to delete all the unnecessary "X's" in the fields in Data specially if your database is several hundred records.

Psion's PsiWin does a good convert from Data to Contacts but no facility to do the opposite. Too bad.

Gary

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 02:10:02 +0000

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Contacts vs. Data

>Date: 19 Jul 2002 13:29:13 +0000

>From: Itamar Engelsman

>Answer to: Gary Y Reyes

>Re. Contact to Data - WOW ! Am I glad I decided right from the start to = >stick with the DATA program and to use Contacts only for email addresses = >.... <G>

>Bye,

>Itamar Engelsman

>London, United Kingdom

Itamar,

One of the difficulties I have with Contacts is when you want to do a search over the whole record, you need to hit "Ctrl-F" then enter the search string. In Data, if you tick off all the fields you are normally interested in, all you need to do when doing a search is enter the search string directly and hit Enter.

Gary

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 02:38:45 +0000

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Revo Battery

>Date: 20 Jul 2002 20:29:36 +0000

>From: <mhatloy

>Hi,

>I am having some problems with my psion Revo 8mb. The screen blacks out = >when the battery level gets under 85%, and most of the times I am not able = >to get it turned on again before I have used the button(1) on the back and = >recharged it.. It is not very fun to have to do this all the time...

>Regards,

>Magnus Hatloy from Norway

Magnus,

Welcome to the Revo Battery problem. Had the exact same problem with my Revo Plus and almost decided to junk my Revo and bolt the Psion camp. Glad I did not. Here is what I did:

1. Back up your data then do a hard reset - not just a soft reset.

2. Charge your Revo for the same length of time you would a new Revo -- I did mine overnight for about 8 hours.

3. Restore your data - preferably do not install back any other battery or power management software other than that which originally comes with the Revo programs.

4. Use the unit until the next shut-off. Do a hard reset again after backing up.

5. Recharge again overnight.

Important Note: Make sure that once you connect the charger, you do NOT disconnect it until after about 6-8 hours of charging.

You may find that the Revo will keep shutting off for a couple of times more when there appears to still be a lot of charge. But several charge-discharge cycles cured my problem. Now my Revo Plus goes all the way down to less than 10% charge and the alarms still sound and the unit does not shut down.

If this does not do it, you may have to resort to sending in your Revo for some modifications.

Hope this process helps.

Gary

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 08:31:42 +0000

From: Chris Matthee

Subject: 9210 connection

Itamar asked Re. Connecting with 9210 - Is it possible to connect an external modem to the Nokia 9210(i) and/or to connect the 9210 to a PC with a serial cable and besides backing-up for example use MochaPPP ?

Yes, this is possible. This email reached the digest that way. It was written on my 9210 and send via my desktop pc using a serial cable and Win2K ras.

There are two possibilities on how to set up the extra modems and isp settings. 1. Search the internet for a product called eInternet. 2. If you have access to the sdk, copy your comms db to the pc and edit it on the pc with the sdk tools.

Chris

This email was send using a Nokia 9210 Communicator

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 09:32:35 +0000

From: vlad arghir

Subject: e-books

Hi all!

I have just received an ad-email f(http://www.mobipocket.com/EN/eBooks/default.asp )

They offer the "Probert Encyclopaedia complete" for USS 29. This used to be freely available on the

http://www.memoware.com/

site.

How come?

Is the free ride over? :-(

Some files at MemoWare (as far as I could see, mostly if not only those in TR-Format) now bear the label "exclusive". I know that MemoWare was acquired a few months ago by a US firm...

Anyone knows what that means?

best

vlad

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 09:34:29 +0000

From: "Nicole Carbonara"

Subject: Proms file

Answer to: Itamar Engelsman

>> why not creating an Agenda file that people can merge into their own Agenda file ? <<

Because the programme is very detailed with performers etc and would take all the space on a Psion screen.

Nicole

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 11:18:24 +0000

From: <mail

Subject: RON / Bluetooth Headsets

Hi All

RON = RISCOS on a netBook

Headsets - Not as large as you may think Itamar. Next time that you are near a mobile phone shop, go in and have a look! The Motorola is the smallest as far as I know.

Andy Hayes

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 12:34:10 +0000

From: Owen H.Morgan

Subject: More Sheet tricks

Hi Gang!

Andy Hayes wrote (> ):

> I want to put each month on a separate page in Sheet

> with calculations on each page referring to figures on

> previous pages. ER5 does not allow me to do this. No

> plug-in is available. There are no alternative

> applications.

As old hands on the list may remember, until May '99 when I quit the rat race, I made my living driving a taxi for a couple of years. In fact, the reason I bought my first S5 was so that I could write in slow time in the cab.

I ran my weekly accounts in Sheet and wrote a macro which created a new Sheet from a template and copied the sums over from last week. This, to my bosses annoyance meant I always knew how much pay I had due.

There are a couple of caveats:

If you try to make your macro copy a sum direct from one spreadsheet to another by using Copy and Paste, you'll find that it's the formula and not the sum that gets copied. The trick to copying sums rather than formulae is to go via the Calc program. In other words, let your macro copy the sum from last week, paste it to Calc, copy it from Calc and paste it to this weeks Sheet.

If you plan your moves carefully, you should be able to create most of your macro by using the record macro function in Macro5. IIRC, the only thing I had to write "manually" in OPL was the bit that inserted the week number and year in the filename and in cell A1. The easiest way to do this was simply to read the week number from A1 in last weeks Sheet.

The limitation to this system as compared to a multiple worksheet program like Exel is that if you discover an error, say in week 15 and go back and correct it, the correction will not be automatically carried forwards in the subsequent weeks that you've already completed.

I hope this makes sense to you. I don't know if I still have copies of the taxi account spreadsheets and macro anywhere, but they wouldn't be all that much use to you as the macro has to be custom written for the spreadsheet you use, and chances are your spreadsheet template will have to be custom written for your needs too. My taxi accounts were certainly highly specialised.

Owen

Thought for the day:

The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity, the rest is overhead for the operating system.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-Namsos guest harbour

64°28'N 11°29.35'E

Namsos in Nord-Trøndelag, North-West Norway

http://home.no.net/naomij

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 14:31:14 +0000

From: "Sanjay Chawla"

Subject: Photo5, Battery on Revo

Does anyone happen to have a copy of Photo5 by Mat Ripley. I had initially installed on my S5 but have since upgraded to a S7 and MC218 but Photo5 does not function any longer. I wanted to reinstall it but Palmscape has changed and I cannot find a ZIPped version anywhere.

Magnus Hatloy

Unfortuantely the Revo needs to be repaired. I had the same problem with my Mako and tried everything from fully discharging the battery and full recharges but nothing worked until the unit was repaired and since then I have not had any problems.

Sanjay Chawla

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 18:46:53 +0000

From: Jan R Gustafsson

Subject: Re: Musings - What to do for a New PDA

"Gary Y Reyes" wrote at 17 Jul 2002 05:34:14 +0000 in EPOC DIGEST V1 # 033

> >Date: 16 Jul 2002 15:27:23 +0100

> >From: Itamar Engelsman

> >Subject: Musings

> >

> >Thinking about a new palmtop, the question is

> which direction to take. Do = >we stay with the

> "old" and buy a netBook, S7 or spare 5MX/Revo, or

> do we = >invest in the "new" and buy a Nokia 9210

> (taking you want to stay with = >EPOC) ?

> >Bye,

> >Itamar Engelsman

> >London, United Kingdom

> I was in this quandry recently when my Revo Plus

> seemed to be going bad. Corrected it though with

> hard resets and charge/discharge cycles for the

> battery.

> Using an integrated phone/palmtop like the 9210,

> for me, is not a good option:

> 1. the 9210 becomes too heavy for a mobile phone -

> specially when I compare it to the 8310 I now use,

> and

> 2. the 9210 screen and keys are too small for a

> palmtop.

> A 9210 would probably be great if 90% of your use

> involves a palmtop linked to a mobile phone. But

> for those like me who uses either the palmtop or

> the mobile phone alone 95% of the time and only 5%

> of the time do I need them communicating, I will

> go with separated units.

> So I ordered a spare Revo Plus - a Mako actually -

> and carry around my little 8310 that communicates

> very well with the Revo over HSCSD for email and

> for SMS (using Phoneman).

> Gary

I too followed Garys' trail: Bought a spare MC218 for my 5mx. But a short while after that, my boss said he did not have the time to learn to use his new MC218, and knowing me as a Psion freak, he let me "inherit" his machine. So now I well set up for keeping to ER5 for some years to come.

BTW, the 9210 is not an option to me. I'm to "addicted" to the superb Psion keyboard, I find it absolute necessary to be able to input data / type in such a convenient speedy way.

And as someone else reported, I do not see the benefits of a combined phone/PDA product. I use the cell phone and the Psion intensely, but together only a fraction of the time. Then I like to have the options of a shirt-pocket-small, light, modern competent phone like the T68 with GPRS/highspeed and not the compromise 9210. When I use the PDA (which I don't have to carry around in my Shirt-pocket) I demand at least all the functionality of the Psion and its vast supply of 3rd party sw. And as for the colour screen: yes the Psion is greenish and far from what ca be achieved today, but it is large and colour is not a necessary functionality for my work on the Psion.

Moreover, as some of you may have experienced with compact HI-FI stereos: if one of the functions fail, most probably the whole combo will be unusable. I don't want that to happen to me, and hence Psion

And sometimes I find some of the Digest postings lacking imagination. What will we see in the market for handhelds in say 5 years? Any ideas? New "Psion companies" will of course see the light of the day I'm sure new thrilling tec things will come. I guess by then, I will have found some new potent tool(s) replacing Psion & Ericsson in the brave new PDA and 4G phone era that has emerged at that time.

How about this guess: the 9210 (or Nokia followers) are not to be found in the market anymore in the year 2005?!

Best regards,

Jan G

Stockholm, Sweden

-- This e-mail was sent from a Psion palmtop computer via IR and a GPRS-connected Ericsson T39 mobile phone --

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:27 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Nokia 9210 Cal.vcs

Dear Kevin,

<< However, there is the option to send entries as an email within a Cal.vcs attachment. Is this .vcs file something that a PC can import to its own agenda software or even perhaps directly open to read the entries within it? >>

The attachment is an appointment in vCalendar format that can be imported in Microsoft Outlook and a range of other PC PIM applications.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:30 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: 9210 and GPS

Dear David,

<< You mentioned that the TomTom City planner runs on the Nokia but can you also connect a GPS unit? >>

There's a click-on GPS receiver that's specifically designed for the 9210 and 9210i. See www.nokia.com.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:33 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Psion Group Plc, netBook and Nokia 9210

Dear Itamar,

<< I just wonder what a Psion Company without products is left with but their share in Symbian? >>

Psion Group Plc currently consists of:

a) Psion-Teklogix - Supplies computer products and wireless network services for the vertical application market.

b) Psion Digital - Handles the final stages in the life of Psion's former consumer products (modems, USB interfaces, handheld computers and digital radio receivers).

c) Symbian - A software licensing company.

d) Psion Software - Develops software for the next generation of mobile devices, particularly programmable, Java-enabled Smartphones.

<< I don't see the netBook being further developed, nor any market awareness of this product, while the netpad is a very specialised product >>

The netBook and netPad are both products of Psion-Teklogix. That you don't see any netBook activity is because you're looking at the consumer market. Not the market Psion-Teklogix operates in.

<< Will we soon see the disappearance of Psion altogether? >>

What do you want me to answer? That Psion Group Plc still exists at the end of 2002, in 2003 ... 2005 ... 2010 ... 2050 ... 2100 ...? Psion Group Plc won't disappear that quickly as it has three activities plus a nice sum of money on the bank. Still, the company's future is linked to the way smartphones and communicators will develop the coming years.

<< On the other hand, how do we explain the apparent strength in sales of the 5MX that they decided to produce more ? >>

Flextronics is currently building a final batch of 1000 5mx's for Psion. Contact your dealer when you want to have a last of the line Psion as a keepsake. As for a "strong" demand, have a talk with a shopkeeper who's just closed down the doors of his/her shop for good. He/She will tell you that the closing sale was the most busy period for a loooooong time.

<< Nokia 9210 - I don't expect the 9210 to be an exact replica or replacement of the 5MX. The question is whether or not it will replace the majority of functions we use our 5MX for, give some added value and new functions and taking away some others >>

Errmmm ... why ask the 'Can it replace a 5mx" question when you don't expect the 9210 to be a 5mx in Nokia dress? The 9210 won't be a 5mx replacement because it's a 9210.

It's much better to ask yourself the question whether there's something that makes it mandatory for you to discard the 5mx and go for another device. When that's not the case, you wait. You'll be going through quite a change in hardware and software anyway. Whether the device you finally go for is a Nokia 9210i, HP Jornada 728, Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, Handspring Treo 270 or a device that's not on the market yet. Save your money for the time you have to buy a new handheld computer or smartphone plus third-party software plus memory cards plus other peripherals.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:37 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Nokia 9210 and Psion-Teklogix netBook

Dear Andy,

<< My phone is of the utmost importance to me. It is the way that my users contact me. I also need the functionality of the data and fax capability >>

There's no difference between using a Nokia 6310i or Nokia 9210(i) in that case. When either of them fails you lose the ability for people to contact you as well as wireless e-mail and fax facilities. And when the phone's so important to your business it's very easy to justify having a spare, whether it's a 6310i or 9210(i).

<< I want to put each month on a separate page in Sheet with calculations on each page referring to figures on previous pages. ER5 does not allow me to do this. No plug-in is available ...

Why the complaint about there being no plug-in when Sander van der Wal has already confirmed to you on comp.sys.psion.apps that Sheet doesn't have the facilities to handle plug-ins?

<< The thing that you have got to consider though is the durability of the platform compared to say a WinPC >>

Why would a platform that's supported by Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, Matsushita, Motorola, Samsung plus a number of others be less durable than Microsoft Windows?

<< I fear that we are insignificant to Psion, but then we are only 400. If they brought out a device costing 500ukp and we all went out and bought one they would only earn 20,000ukp... >>

As if it doesn't cost Psion anything to manufacture and distribute the device, there's no technical support and repairs infrastructure to maintain, retailers don't charge a single penny for their activities, etc.

<< Ignoring us makes perfect business sense ... >>

What nonsense. I makes perfect sense for Psion to listen to its customers. Whether Psion is able to act on our ideas, wishes, requests and/or demands is something else again.

<< but just in case anyone is listening from Psion, can I have ER6 on my netBook please!? >>

There you have an example of a request Psion-Teklogix isn't likely to act upon. Symbian produced version 6 of its Symbian OS mainly for the company's licensees manufacturing mobile phones. An area in which Psion-Teklogix doesn't do any business.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:41 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Nokia 9210(i)

Dear Gary,

<< Using an integrated phone/palmtop like the 9210, for me, is not a good option : (1) the 9210 becomes too heavy for a mobile phone - specially when I compare it to the 8310 I now use, and (2) the 9210 screen and keys are too small for a palmtop >>

It's not fair to compare the 9210(i) with the 8310 as the 9210(i) is a phone as well as a handheld computer. Its size and weight should therefore be compared to the combined size and weight of your 8310 and Revo Plus. As for the 9210(i)s keyboard, I'm afraid you'd like to have it both ways. That is, a 9xxx that's smaller than the current one to meet your phone requirements as well as a 9xxx with a good sized keyboard to meet your handheld computer requirements.

<< A 9210 would probably be great if 90% of your use involves a palmtop linked to a mobile phone. But for those like me who uses either the palmtop or the mobile phone alone 95% of the time and only 5% of the time do I need them communicating, I will go with separated units >>

You'd have a point when the 95% means carrying either the mobile phone or the handheld computer but not both. As the advantage of having a mobile phone that's smaller and lighter than a 9210(i) as well as a handheld computer that's smaller and lighter than a 9210(i) would be clear. Carry both all the time and the on-line percentage doesn't really matter.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:49 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 033

Dear Trygve,

<< You know, the netBook will NEVER be able to run ER6 because it doesn't have the same hardware as the new machines. (The OS on an EPOC/Symbian design is VERY related to the underlying hardware) >>

You must be joking as this would make Symbian OS useless for the purpose of Symbian's mobile phone partners and licensees. Symbian OS 6 can run on the netBook when Psion-Teklogix makes the necessary hardware related adaptations each partner/licensee will need to make. Question is whether it makes any sense for Psion-Teklogix to move to Symbian OS 6 or 7. They're not in the mobile phone market and most of what has been added to these two Symbian OS versions aren't relevant to the market it's in.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherland

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 21:32:52 +0000

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Travel Modem

Dear Thomas,

<< It seems that it is not the modem which is faulty, but my Psion. Whenever it needs its attention for other purposes, it forgets to keep the modem happy with ongoing IR signals. The modem then disconnects. I noticed my Nokia 7110 does almost the same thing in the same circumstances >>

It is unlikely that this is the cause of the problem. I've tested a long list of GSM mobile phones in combination with a Series 5, 5mx, Revo and Series 7. I don't use a formal test procedure but do let the Psion work hard while it's connected to the phone plus ISP as part of the test. When there's something wrong with a Psion holding on to an IrDA link I would have encountered it donkeys years ago.

And I've just checked this again with a Revo, Series 5, 5mx, a Travel Modem, Nokia 8810, 6310 and Ericsson GF788c/DI27. I let the 5mx render a 1200 by 1600 pixel JPEG using MBMView, load a brochure in PDF+, have Street Planner work out a complicated route, start up and close down Web and Opera and the result is the same. The Psion doesn't lose the IrDA lock it has with the Travel Modem as well as the mobile phones. Nor are the connections with my ISP, Planet Internet, lost.

I'm therefore wondering whether the "If idle, stay on line for..." parameter of your Internet profile is sufficient for other activities to be finished before the connection times out because of inactivity. Mine's set to 30 minutes, giving me ample time to finish (say) a long web data entry form. Still, there's the possibility that your ISP has its own inactivity time out. So that it's the ISP that drops the line rather than the Travel Modem.

The only thing the Travel Modem does by itself is to power down after 5 minutes of line inactivity. But this is sufficient for the Psion and Opera to render a complex web page on screen. Unless, of course, you're running Opera on such a low memory budget that it can't do anything else than to take its time to render pages. Which is a question of having a hard look at what you store in internal and CF memory.

<< Another option would be to carry the old external modem with me, which does not have this problem (strange - doesn't a serial connection need continuous handshaking?) >>

Not at all as the RTS/CTS and Xon/Xoff DSR/DTR signals are only used during a data exchange. They regulate the flow of data, ensuring that the modem doesn't send data when the computer is busy (or vice versa). While DSR/DTR are only used to indicate that the modem and/or computer are ready. The IrCOMM specification of IrDA uses these as well. Not in the form a line being set high or low but as messages.

What's active in an IrCOMM link is the low level discovery process that's used by all IrDA compliant devices. This is the process that allows two IrDA devices to discover each other's presence and lock in. This process will check whether the other device is still in range when there's no communication using the higher level processes (IrCOMM, IrOBEX, etc.).

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 22:12:12 +0000

From: "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN"

Subject: Freesurf in the UK / Travel Modem's tunnel / O2 NL / Direct Internet / Free+Ben

Hello group,

Nice to hear that Freesurf in the UK works, with the exact same settings! I am surprised, because I did not think that 0866 numbers exist in the UK!

Itamar, I could indeed open up an account in the UK if necessary, but I have accounts in The Netherlands (3), Belgium (1) and France (2) so things are already getting out of control :-)

OK, I did not really try Itamar's card box trick with my Travel Modem, because it always connected well and it only dropped the connection on the start-up of a programme (thanks for the confirmation that you leave all of your programmes open, BTW). But after this success story I'll make a cardboard tunnel as well!

About O2 NL: I am not surprised that you have bad results with O2. The former Telfort has the worst network of the 5 operators and I don't get any signal in our University buildings! I think that GPRS also heavily depends on the signal strength, so...

One of the founders of Telfort was the Dutch Railway Service NS. Definitely NOT a reliable partner!

BTW, O2 is now offering free subscriptions for a year with 120 minutes per month offered... people think the offer is too expensive ;-)

KPN Telecom in The Netherlands is now offering a new service, called Direct Internet. It works with a national phone number and is directly accessible without subscription. You'll need Caller Line Identification enabled and the settings are as follows:

Phone number: 06760 12321

DNS and IP from server

no password

There are no 'goodies' like free webspace or mail included. Unfortunately, there is no SMTP server either.

However, your own webmail should be available and with KPN's connection you could subscribe to www.zonnet.nl for a free account with all goodies (direct activation of your account).

Does anybody know any open SMTP servers to use with KPN DirectInternet?

I received my mobile phone bill with the costs I made in France today. A nice surprise: my Dutch phone provider Ben claims that it has an European-wide tariff of 0,95 euro per minute. However, Bouygues Telecom does apparently not agree. My data cals to Free were charged 0,79 euro per minute during peek hours and 'only' 0,29 euro p.m. during cheap hours, because it was a phone number inside France! Ben still does not understand it! I checked the Bouygues site: indeed Bouygues still has the peek/non-peek tariff structure for numbers inside France. Peek is every working day from 8h00 to 21h30. So having a local ISP in your holiday country can still be interesting with your mobile phone even when your own network denies it!

While this was a nice surprise I am still annoyed by the enormous mess the networks make of the foreign tariffs structure.

Well, enough for today ;-)

Yours truly,

Thomas VAN DER ZIJDEN

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Date: 22 Jul 2002 22:25:49 +0000

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: Strange file called Cal.vcs

I sent this about a week ago but unfortunately got no reply:

Perhaps I should elaborate a little as I feel I may have confused the issue. Basically what I am trying to do with the 9210 is send selected Calendar entries to someone via email. What I used to do with my S5 was to print the selected entries to a file, open up a Word document then import these entries to the newly created Word file which was then attached to an email. The 9210 does not have a "print to file" option so I can't do this. It DOES however have a "send as email" option which automatically creates an email attachment called "cal.vcs" which I guess is a file that can be imported to a PC calendar program? However, I don't know for sure what to do with this strange file.

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 23 Jul 2002 13:54:59 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: 5MX & others available

Whoever is still interested in a new 5MX, Revo or other machines (have a 2nd one ?) have a look at www.posltd.com and www.psionex.co.uk.

www.exportech.co.uk informs that "the last ever Psion 5MX's are rolling off Psion's production line". Who thought they would continue longer seems to have been wrong !

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

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Date: 23 Jul 2002 13:55:00 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: netBook & S7

The price difference between the two is considerable, but the S7 is/will be discontinued, is slower, OS in ROM not uppgradable, no network card possible. But than, for someone not using the internet much and no need to connect with network card, would the S7 be a better buy or not ?

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

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Date: 23 Jul 2002 13:31:49 +0000

From: peter.rand

Subject: Nokia Communicator 9210 as Revo replacement?

Got my hands on a Nokia Communicator 9210 that I can test for a week or so. I'm not really interested in it as a phone, but am curious to discover to what degree it could replace my RevoPlus for word-processing, database management, email and reading ebooks. Unlike the Revo, it has a color screen and a card slot for extra memory. Form factor is very similar (fits in my pocket like the Revo), although the Revo has a somewhat better keyboard.

Peter

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Date: 23 Jul 2002 14:24:41 +0000

From: Emil Granström

Subject: TomTom Navigator for EPOC

Dont know if you all have seen it yet but TomTom has announced thge release of Navigator

for PocketPC devices. Navigator seems the very logical upgrade to Street and Route Planner.

I mailed them to see if Navigator also where scheduled for EPOC and got the answer below.

I might be hoping to much here but perhaps we together can show Palmtop that there still are many users of the EPOC platform and that they should relese Navigator for EPOC too.

So all those in favour for a "upgrade" to Street and Route Planner please let Palmtop know that you are interested in seeing Navigator for EPOC.

>Thanks for your mail. Currently, we do not have plans to release Navigator for

>Epoc devices.. However, we have filed your suggestion and will use it as input.

>We will continue support Epoc .

>Watch our website at http://www.tomtom.com to stay informed of new releases.

>Regards,

>TomTom Customer Servic>http://www.tomtom.com

Another thought that sprung to my mind is that to my knowledege this is the first SW that Palmtop relesed for PocketPC only. Palmtop as such started by developing for EPOC only and PocketPC showed up just recently. I guess its just a logical (?) result after Psions actions...

Brg

Emil

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