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Epoc Digest Tue, 17 Sep 2002 Volume 01 : Number 078

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In today's Epoc Digest 33 messages:

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- S7 presentations, I want MORE

- GRUMBLE / NETBOOK UPGRADE

- Re: Jornada 720 printing

- Re: HHC usage

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 076

- GPRS,

- Psion to produce Windows netBook

- PsiLoc+

- Gratitude (4 Edgar)

- PDFPrinter (4 Kevin)

- 1gb CF (4 Itamar)

- re: Unlocking TomeRaider files (4 Astrid)

- Re: S7 cleaning of screen (4 Itamar)

- Re: What happened?

- Re: Geofox battery doors

- Space-case (4 Rick)

- Re: Washroom Psioneering

- Re: 1Gb CF for 5mx (4 Rolf B.)

- Donating old PDA gear (4 Rolf B.)

- 5MX viewing angle, Address change (4 Itamar)

- ExtraBars and Macros?

- FontMachine - what is it good for?

- Re: Tip for reading (4 Sergio)

- Re: Jornada HPC 720....

- DrB5Read URL!

- Isopropyl Alcohol (4 Itamar)

- Re: HARASSMENT (4 Peter)

- RE: TIME

- Except WinCE machines (4 Trygve)

- RE: HHC usage?

- RE: Jornada 720 touch screen vs Psion failures

- Next netBook with choice of Symbian/EPOC or WinCE

- SMS transfers to S7

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Date: 16/09/2002 9:26:28 pm

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: S7 presentations, I want MORE

Reply to Rolf Brunsting:

Thanks for all the info Rolf. Looks as though I've found something to keep me busy on the S7 during the long dark winter evenings to come! Can you or anyone recommend a good drawing package to help? Has anyone tried RMRArt for example?

Reply to Mystery Man:

Hey, I thought I was greedy enough! I've held back on getting a 1Gb IBM Microdrive (I currently use a 340Mb one) for my S7, thinking that they would probably bring out a larger size in due course, but this was 2 years ago now and nothing bigger as far as I know is in the pipeline. However, CF cards just keep getting bigger. I don't think that there is a theoretical maximum size but I do know that Psion's policy is not to support any CF sizes bigger than their own largest branded ones of 20Mb. This of course does not mean larger sizes would not work, just that Psion would say "too bad" if an unbranded one would not. The reality of course is that many of us now use other (much cheaper) non-Psion branded CF sizes that were unheard of when the S5 first appeared, with no operational problems at all.

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 16/09/2002 10:08:12 pm

From: Peter Keene

Subject: GRUMBLE / NETBOOK UPGRADE

Hi Guys,

For Michael Kennedy re grumble:

You wrote: "Itamar, personally I think you and the team are doing an excellent job and deserve more thanks than you guys / gals get!"

Err... my point exactly. :-)

For Darryl re netBook upgrade:

I think you may have already answered this by ommission, but, any indication of an upgrade to 1024 colours on the screen? Apparently early netBooks (before the public release) provided this colour palette, but then the machine was downgraded to 256 colours for some reason.

Regards,

Peter

Cape Town

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Date: 16/09/2002 11:05:14 pm

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Jornada 720 printing

Dear Tim,

<< There are 3 listed drivers: PCL Laser, PCL Inkjet, PCL (HP Cable). SOunds like they are PCL-centric, but then I didn't expect anything else from an HP computing product at this price >>

I've always considered it strange that HP only supports PCL as it excludes quite a number of HP's own inkjet printers. Supporting all the features of these GDI printers may require more processing and memory resources a Jornada 720 or 728 can offer. Like printing a full A4 page photograph using HP's optimisation technology (PhotoRet, if I remember correctly). But that you can't even print a simple letter, e-mail or contacts listing is difficult to understand.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - On holidays in the UK

Message written at the Apple Pie Bakery & Café - Ambleside - Cumbria

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Date: 16/09/2002 11:05:18 pm

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: HHC usage

Dear Tim,

<< PalmOS: Palm VIIx/i705. for wireless email independent of the company. I'm playing around with this. Much better than the Blackberry or Motorola T900 2-way pagers systems ... >>

I was interested in the Palm VII(x) when it was launched. The integrated wireless communication might have persuaded me to accept the use of a separate add-on keyboard. Problem was that the VII(x) uses a packet radio network that's not widely available outside North America. Understandable when you think of the VII(x) as a 'testing the waters' device. It's better to perform a market trial on home turf than in far and distant lands.

Given the numbers sold I was half expecting a successor to the VII(x) to be available in a GSM version. Allowing Palm to expand the tried and tested palm.net infrastructure into Europe, Asia and elsewhere. I was therefore surprised to see that the i705 is only an update of the VIIx - still using the same packet radio service. (Though Palm devotees will certainly berate me for my "only an update".)

As for the Blackberry, RIM has a version that supports GSM and GPRS available in Europe. Trouble is that I've only seen it advertised in combination with corporate mobile network accounts. I've made some enquiries in the Netherlands and was ensured that I could get one - when I supplied my company's name, address and bank account details plus chamber of commerce registration number. In other words, no-go for a private person like me.

I'm therefore wondering why Palm and RIM are limiting themselves in this way. GSM's Short Message Service (SMS) has been such a success that 2-way alphanumeric pagers never made it outside the emergency services and specialised corporate applications. The small country that is the Netherlands (16 million people) exchanges more than 3 million SMS messages each month. Young people, between the age of 15 and 25, take account of 70% of this volume. And you should see the number of e-mail messages the same age group exchanges in addition to SMS.

When Palm would come with a 'groovy' [1] mixture of M130, i705 and GSM targeted at this age group, and press the mobile networks for some purchase subsidy support, it's going for a market much larger than the one its targeting with the i705. When RIM would get rid of its company-only attitude it could create something equivalent to the Lotus 1-2-3 effect of driving PCs into corporations by employees rather than IT staff. I'm afraid they're leaving the largest catchment market to Handspring (Treo 180 and 270), Nokia (3650, 7650, 9210 and 9290) and SonyEricsson (P800).

Note [1] - My use of the word 'groovy' shows that I'm much too old to belong to this age group.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - On holidays in the UK

Message written at the Lamb Inn - Grasmere - Cumbria

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Date: 16/09/2002 11:05:25 pm

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 076

Dear Trygve,

<< Psioneers must be more socially responsible than most... >>

I wouldn't describe me donating my Psion Series 3 gear to the Delft Museum of Technology as "socially responsible". The simple reason for the donation was that (a) I'd filled my Delft home to the point that I had no storage space left and (b) that I value a collection of books much higher than a collection of old computer gear. It's books that I'm going to read again while I wasn't going to use a Series 3a again.

Books are inspirational while Psions are tools. Getting rid of my old Psions didn't hurt at all. Moving from Delft to Darp, a home with much less shelf space, was something quite different. It meant I had to dispose of about 700 books ... two weeks of agony ... indecision ... moving titles from the 'keep' to the 'lose' piles of books... from the 'lose' to the 'keep' piles of books ...

And now that I've seen Durham Cathedral with my own eyes I do wish I'd kept my copy of Betjeman's "English Architecture".

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - On holidays in the UK

Message written at the Lamb Inn - Grasmere - Cumbria

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Date: 17/09/2002 1:02:11 am

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: GPRS,

Answer to: Alan Morris

Re. GPRS - I was assured by Vodaphone that my rate for GPRS is Gbp 2.35 / Mb irrespective of whether I am in the UK or in Europe. I did not yet receive my first GPRS bill so can't confirm it yet <G>.

Bye,

Itamar Engelsman

London, United Kingdom

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Date: 17/09/2002 8:01:34 am

From: "Mark Bridge"

Subject: Psion to produce Windows netBook

The following story appeared on the Mobile Commerce World web site today...

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Psion to switch handhelds to Windows

http://www.mobilecommerceworld.com/Tmpl/print.asp?CID=1&AID=16105&TCode=NW

One of Microsoft?s main competitors, Psion, is to switch its top-of-the-line handheld over to Microsoft's Windows CE operating system in time for Christmas. According to industry sources, the group has told its sales channels that it will produce a netBook personal digital assistant (PDA) that runs the Microsoft operating system some time in the fourth quarter this year.

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Best wishes

Mark

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Date: 17/09/2002 10:20:04 am

From: Philip S. Adkins Potter

Subject: PsiLoc+

Hi,

Steve Hodgson wanted to know about PsiLoc+. I can't comment about S7 or netBook but ExtraBars . . . yes.

The Psiloc+ add-ons (ExtraBars, etc.) probably won't be available as the company is concentrating on development of ER6/7, understandably. Other than that I can say that PsiLoc+ works very well indeed on my 5mx.

Good luck,

Phil.

"To stay young requires unceasing cultivation

of the ability to unlearn old falsehoods."

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:16 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Gratitude (4 Edgar)

Edgar wrote:

"It is really very kind not being a cheat, but hm.... producers of goods in the price range of netBook or S7 are ordered by law to repair and supply spare parts for 8 (I mean eigth) years in Hungary. It is about the end of 2010 not 2004. In 5mx price range a 3-year-long similar after-production follow-up is

obligatory. It gives 2005. I do not know the regulations in the EU, but they can be similar. Following them is really *honest*, but I would not consider it exceptional or fantastic."

As I pointed out with Philips, not every company keeps its obligations. (Sharp has been notable here too, and has run afoul of the law at least once in this regard). Anyway, I merely meant to say (as far as service and support goes) that Psion *is* keeping its obligations - whether that is 'fantastic' or not is up to you :) Unfortunately, in the Corporate world it may indeed be exceptional.

I've read more than a handful of complaints online stating, or strongly implying, that Psion is not keeping its obligations to its consumers - I don't think that's fair since I honestly don't think that's true.

"(And IMHO buying any product means buying the product itself *and* the repair service, etc. The calculated prices of any product always includes the repair/change costs, damages, etc. - depending on the product). So it is not a gift, if we get the service we have paid for.)"

Agreed (sort-of), but that is most definitely a consumer's point of view - not all manufacturers or resellers think that way. Also, I didn't mean to imply that it is a gift :) Just that some companies have not provided the level of service and support that their customers may have been ethically or legally entitled to - and that Psion, IMHO, has.

Paint me naive if you will, but I *am* 'grateful' to Psion for the sloooow removal of the 5mx from the marketplace. This allowed me to take the time I needed to ascertain that no newer Psion handheld was coming and to buy a couple of 5mx's from Exportec before they were all gone. I also think it was notable for Psion to have made that last run of 5mx's. I bet that there are hundreds of users out there who are grateful for that last run! I don't know about you, but I believe that I should feel gratitude towards anyone (or anything) who has done me a good turn or who has otherwise helped me out in some way - I'm even grateful to my cane for reducing the pain in my hip! Why be grateful to an inanimate object? - because it instills a positive change in *me*. While feeling simple gratitude or saying 'thank you' may not bring me an *obvious* benefit - not feeling grateful or saying 'thank you' will surely cause me no small measure of harm. (call that my 'thought for the day')

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:32 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: PDFPrinter (4 Kevin)

Kevin wrote:

"I suggest that this is a viable alternative to nConvert. You can use the beta version till October.>"

I agree that PDFPrinter is extremely useful, and that it can be a great alternative to nConvert *at times* - but nConvert still offers a great deal of useful functionality that PDFPrinter never will. I think these two should be viewed as being complimentary apps (ok, technically speaking PDFPrinter is just a driver) rather than as true alternatives to each other.

I wonder if there will be a PDF+ and PDFPrinter bundle price?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:36 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: 1gb CF (4 Itamar)

Itamar wrote:

"Answer to: David Lir

Re. 1GB CF - It migh be cheaper to buy a spare 5MX with a 128 Kb CF than a 1Gb CF <G>"

Agreed. I would still like to hear of any user's experience with a large CF (especially a SanDisk Ultra card!) so that I can know if a large card will be a good purchase for me - when they come down in price in a year or two. Btw, I've already got a spare 5mx :)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:41 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: re: Unlocking TomeRaider files (4 Astrid)

"It happens when you don't close the current tr file before you open another. There are two ways to avoid reregistering:

1. Always close the first file before you open another one.

or (and that's what I did)

2. Use the Open Multiple Files option, i.e. open the second tr file with Fn+Enter (or change your system settings to Enter).

3. Write to tomeraider and wait for an upgrade (only joking)"

Thanks for that Astrid. #1 is *impossible* for me. As for #2: I am already using the 'Open Multiple Files' option!, that is I open any second or greater TR file with 'Fn+Enter' and I am still seeing the problem. I'm stumped.

I'd write to Proporta (#3), but I'm still waiting for a reply to a message I sent them *weeks* ago.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:44 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: S7 cleaning of screen (4 Itamar)

"How do the S7 and netBook users clean their screen ?"

Here's how I clean the screen of my laptop and all of my handhelds. I use a high quality microfibre optical cloth ($4 cdn from my Optometrist) to wipe the screen down with *just a bit* of liquid screen cleanser. My current bottle is 'Kensington's Screen Guardian' - but there are others. First I lightly dust the screen with the dry cloth and then I wipe it down again with the cloth slightly wetted with the cleanser. Once I've done the screen I move onto the keyboard, the casing and the stylus.

Works great!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:48 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: What happened?

Rolf from Munich wrote:

"This is a relic of old internet, having the possibility to transmit 7-bit-words only.

The Internet providers convert all unvisible characters in the subject field, for example linefeed=ASC(6) or special signs for example ä,ö,ü,ø etc. beeing in the ASCII table behind the #127, into the ASCII number in hex format and send they as number between the strings "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=" and "?=". Some providers and Email programs can not reconvert this signs into the original ones."

Thanks for that interesting and informative explanation :)

"So you had have the character ASC(16) (decimal 16 = hex 10) in your subject."

Hmmm. I looked more carefully at the problem message. Though it can't be seen from the Editor view, I *can* see the problem character in the Subject header from the Folder view. Rick has pointed out that the character is actually a 'Shift-Space'. Unfortunately the combination of StickyKeys, fast-typing and this character's invisibility in both Word and Email means I may inadvertently do it again :(

"< FYI, I wrote the original message in Word and pasted it into Email.

This is the reason. If you write in Word, be sure to copy pure text in the Email, only."

Kind of hard to copy 'pure text' from Word into Email isn't it?? There's no 'paste as pure text' feature in EPOC that I'm aware of. If there's a way to copy pure text into Email please let me know! I know I can do an export to text in Word and then copy and paste, but a real 'copy pure text' feature could be useful - maybe.

"BTW: As I compiled the digest #72, I had have to correct your subject manually before sending. But I overlooked this. Sorry."

That's ok, Rolf. I'm just glad you fellows are out there keeping the Digest going! :)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:53 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Geofox battery doors

Chester wrote:

"Sorry that this is bit off topic, but I have a Geofox"

Doesn't seem a bit off topic to me - isn't the Geofox an EPOC machine?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:56 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Space-case (4 Rick)

Rick wrote:

"> HPC =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=10?=v and all that stuff (4 Steve)?

Yep, I think this happens because you held the shift key down while typing the first space. Shift-space is a different character to space on the Psion, as you will see if you put it in a datafile etc.

You just need to be more careful! :)"

Yup, you're quite right :) Holding Shift down while inserting a space does create the 'problem' character (I can see it in the Subject header from Email's Folder view). I wonder if StickyKeys might not have contributed to the problem? I'd better be *very* careful when typing up Digest replies then - especially since this character is invisible in both Email and Word!! Btw, what is the Shift-space character use for?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:30:59 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Washroom Psioneering

Simon wrote:

"it makes sense to take my Psion with me to jot down any sudden flashes (not splashes! <G>) of inspiration."

Yikes!

"Now, what I really need is a netPad so I can use it in the bath! <G>"

I used to use my Palm in the bath regularly! I would seal it in a Ziploc (first squeezing out as much air as possible), fold over the excess plastic and tape it on the back to hold the plastic tight against the screen. It was great for reading ebooks in the bath :)

"Now, what I really need is a netPad so I can use it in the bath! <G>"

Me too!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:02 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: 1Gb CF for 5mx (4 Rolf B.)

Rolf Brunsting wrote:

"Dear David,

I own a 10 MByte Psion branded SanDisk, a 40 MByte and 128 MByte SanDisk plus a 256 MByte SanDisk Ultra. The Ultra is indeed faster than the other three. Thing is, that the Psion reads the directory tree and the directory contents when you want to open or save (say) a Word file. The larger the disk the more extensive the tree and the more files, negating the speed advantage of the Ultra. Reason why I don't experience that much of a difference when I swap the 128 MByte card for the 256 MByte one."

Sorry Rolf, I'm confused. A larger CF card should be slower than a smaller card of the same type formatted the same way - no? Is the 256MB Ultra about as fast on your 5mx (even when dealing with the Psion's annoying method of reading the entire tree and contents) as the smaller standard 128MB card? If so it would seem that the Ultra technology is at least offsetting the increase in size of the 256 Ultra - that is without the Ultra technology the 256MB card would be substantially slower in a 5mx than a 128MB card. When you say: "I don't experience that much of a difference when I swap the 128 MByte card for the 256 MByte one." doesn't that indicate that the Ultra technology is indeed offsetting the increase in card size (storage)? So then, is the Ultra technology - to your mind - worth paying extra for if a large card will be used solely in a 5mx?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:07 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Donating old PDA gear (4 Rolf B.)

Rolf B. wrote:

"Donating old PDA gear to a worthy cause is something I'd like to recommend to all EPOC Digest readers."

Donating *anything useful* (computer gear, furniture, clothing, food, time, skilled or unskilled labour, etc.) to a worthy cause is something I do recommend to everybody :)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:22 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: 5MX viewing angle, Address change (4 Itamar)

Itamar wrote:

Re. 5MX viewing angle - It is correct that sometimes the angle catches glare, but the aluminium desk stand takes care of this.

As I mentioned, the Palmtec hardcase takes care of this problem too, offering 3 angles in the case, and is, unlike an aluminum *desk* stand, *portable* and *protective*.

"Re. Address change - No further address changes are planned, only if the ISPwould go out of business."

Glad to hear it.

"Anyhow, I think enough said about this subject, no

need to "bash" Rolf (any further)."

I wasn't "bashing" Rolf! I was *supporting* him :) The change of address message was simply too well hidden (IMO) within the Update message. I'll drop the subject as you've suggested though.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:25 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: ExtraBars and Macros?

I've found that I cannot rely on EB to run macros. Often I must enter a given hotkey 2 or 3 times before a macro will run. I've tried this with and without Macro 5 running - it made no difference. EB works great for everything else - including the remapping of icons, but for the running of Macros it really seems to be inferior to M5. M5 has absolutely no problem running any of the macros I use - the first time I enter a hotkey. Anyone else notice this?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:28 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: FontMachine - what is it good for?

I know what FontMachine does, but I'm wondering what my fellow Psioneers are using FM for? Here's a question especially for those who have spent the dough to register FM and who have found it to be money well spent - in what ways have you found FM to be useful, beneficial, or otherwise worth the money?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:31 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Tip for reading (4 Sergio)

Sergio wrote:

"First of all many thanks for the suggestion about the macro DrB5Read !!!"

You're welcome :)

"I've just made some little changes to it, and now it can jump to the next message in the email application... just press "n"

If anybody is interested, I can mail a copy!"

Sure, please send me a copy! You might want to email the creator of DrB5Read and let him in on the improvement too.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:34 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: Jornada HPC 720....

Mick wrote:

"> Also, most 720's have dimming in the lower corners of their

> display

Haven't noticed this on either my 680 or 720 TBH."

Hmmm. You've been fortunate. I don't think it's a big deal anyway, but this dimming can be seen in some of the pictures of the 680-720 online, and I think has been mentioned in at least a couple of online reviews (besides users having mentioned it).

"> and, of course, the passive display of the 720 must

> exhibit at least some *blurring* when scrolling or displaying

> animation.

For sure, yes, but I was comparing more with the Psion range in this respect

IYSWIM."

Well, you had compared the Jornada screen with that of "a decent laptop" - I just thought it was important that readers (especially any prospective purchaser of a 72x out there) understand the differences in quality between today's average laptop screen and the screen found on a Jornada HPC.

What does IYSWIM stand for?

"Not my experience, on both my Psion models the keyboards look awful and worn now, even after cleaning, my 680 is fine, no wear etc. and it's had way more use in the last couple of years.

The screen is fine too, no cable trouble yet, which is more than I can say for my 5mx unfortunately."

Sorry, when I wrote "The 720 has the superior keyboard, in terms of feel, but I do think it is a bit more delicate in some ways." I was thinking only in terms of liquid and contaminant entry, not actual mechanical wear and tear. I have read of 680-720 keyboard failures (besides those caused by liquid entry) due to small bits of the keys (underneath) breaking off. More likely this would happen in a fall, I suppose. BTW, Thanks for telling us of the mechanical longevity/durability of your 680's keyboard - it's good to know.

Even though the larger and heavier HP (compared to a 5mx) is of an arguably more robust design - I would still carry it in a good HARD-case. Unfortunately, unlike the 5mx, their is no form-fitted hard-case for the Jornada. The Otterbox is available and affords even better protection than a PalmTec case does a 5mx, but that really makes the already large HP HUGEMONGOUS! I like that I can carry my 5mx in a protective hard-case and still fit it in my pants or jacket pocket. Unsurprisingly, I'd like to see HP's next HPC line come down in size!

BTW, how old was your 5mx when you suffered its first cable break? How many times a day would you estimate that you had opened it on average?

"But yes, it's pluses and minuses with the hardware but IMHO I reckon the HP machines shade it - but they are more expensive and are a lot heavier."

Do you find the HP too wide or too heavy or otherwise unsuitable for thumb-typing? Is it uncomfortable to hold in one hand for any substantial length of time? How many apps can you have running at once without the HP slowing down or becoming unstable?

Here is what's running right now on my 5mx: Agenda, two large TomeRaider Dictionaries, a *large* Jotter file, two Data files, DreamConnect, QuickNote, the latest Digest in PDF, an ebook in Ebook, Email, Macro5, ExtraBars, Locker, RecycleBin (demo), ZipManager (demo), VoiceMan, StickyKeys, BatCheck.

With all of this running I've got 2700k left in RAM and I am seeing no problems with slowdown or stability. Could the HP run a comparable number of similar apps without problems?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:45 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: DrB5Read URL!

Alan wrote:

David Lir wrote:-

> I still prefer DrB5Read for these reasons: it uses the hard keys....

Anyone got it's URL ?

Here it is again:

http://pnicolas.epocboulevard.com/MacroList.html

It's somewhere in there - enjoy!

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:48 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Isopropyl Alcohol (4 Itamar)

"Re. Isopropyl Alcohol - You're the 2nd one mentioning this. Where does one buy this material ?"

Isopropyl Alcohol is also known as Rubbing alcohol. It can be purchased at most any pharmacy.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:50 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Re: HARASSMENT (4 Peter)

Peter wrote:

"For Rolf re harassment:

You wrote: "...I think it's best to consider your "Give Itamar a break Rolf" as 'not written'."

Consider what you like, it WAS written and I meant it. Unfortunately, you don't seem to have got the message - your posting to Itamar in # 75 goes beyond pedantism to verge on harassment."

Is it just me or is it getting HOT in here? Didn't Itamar mention sometime ago that he did *not* have a problem with Rolf's posting style (or something to that effect) ? Certainly when Rolf mentioned the 'missing' address change notification he was ultimately just asking a question, and his comments on Itamar's quoting method recently (below) - well wouldn't it be advisable to see if it bothers *Itamar* before getting all heated up? Personally I don't see anything wrong with Rolf's having commented on Itamar's posting style, or with the way Rolf did it. Honestly, I don't see how it could be construed as being so extreme as to 'verge on harrassment'.

"To avoid boring or irritating other subscribers I am happy to continue this dialogue with you off-digest."

Perhaps it would have been best to have *started* this particular dialogue offlist?

Rolf wrote to Itamar:

"Sorry to sound linguistically pedantic, but it's best to put a repeat of words between quotation marks. Specially when you don't quote in a traditional fashion."

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:55 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: RE: TIME

Janet wrote:

"One inherent problem I've encountered with the TIME application is that I don't know which areas have special seasonal time adjustments so I don't know whether to leave the details about summer hours or winter hours checked or unchecked. Does anyone have information on how to find this out?"

Have you tried a Web search using Google.com? Something like "daylight savings time" should turn something up :)

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:31:57 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: Except WinCE machines (4 Trygve)

Trygve wrote:

"And there's always room for another machine in my collection...(Except WinCE machines)"

Why's that?

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:32:00 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: RE: HHC usage?

"David,

"Well, OK, you asked..."

Oh, oh! I don't like the sound of that! :)

"I can accept needing a desktop somewhere to load SW, and maybe to back up to."

I can accept the former (if I have to) - but *never* the latter!

"I do not like any system that cannot run independent of the desktop for long periods of time."

Same here.

"I use separate units for home/hobby and for work"

I could never manage such a feat of juggling!

"Color? I'm ambivalent. It looks cool, but I'd rather have the run time on batteries instead of a color screen."

Agreed. Runtime comes first - but colour is *nice*.

"Currently used HHC (HandHeld Computer) OS types: PPC, HPC, EPOC, Palm."

Again, I don't know how you can manage to juggle them all!

"I decided to abandon any clamshell HHC for PIM usage."

I've gone back and forth between clamshells and small slates a few times - this time I'll stick with a clamshell for as long as they make 'em. But If I wanted a PDA *only* for PIM usage I'd have either bought a 3mx, (great Agenda, clear screen, super long battery life on AA cells, and a good keyboard!) or I'd have stuck with a Palm.

"PalmOS: Palm Vx. My current work HHC for PIM. I use QuickOffice, HandDBase, etc. It isn't a clamshell - no hinge to fail."

Nope, just a LiON cell to be replaced by Palm - eventually.

"I can keep up with any meeting notes using a Palm folding keyboard - very nice."

I was using a PPK too. Nice to use, but not always there (in my pocket) when I needed it - hence the move to a Psion.

"Handwriting recognition on any PDA - Palm or PPC - just

doesn't cut it for more than a few words or short notes."

It can be done - it's just more work :)

"HPC2000: Jornada 720. My first foray into the Microsoft

understanding of a handheld OS. Somewhat erratic and needs a soft reset about once a week."

Not too bad - not too great either.

"Need to use TextMaker for actually creating documents due

to severe limitations in Pocket Word. ListPro is a "gotta have"

application"

Yup, and yup. ListPro is an excellent listmaker with database features - but it's not much of an outliner. The best outliner I've ever seen is ShadowPlan on the Palm. I'm still hoping that myList will make it to ER5 though!

"Enough?"

Oh yes - definitely! ;)

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Date: 17/09/2002 4:32:05 pm

From: David Lir

Subject: RE: Jornada 720 touch screen vs Psion failures

Tim wrote:

"After my touch screen digitizer failed on the J720 and was repaired under warranty (LCD screen assembly was replaced), I noticed that the newer screen has a lighter touch."

Very interesting. Perhaps they've been quietly improving them?

"I have noted that the "hard" push that is necessary sometimes seems to be due somehow to the OS, not to the sensitivity of the screen in that exact spot. Another WinCE'ism I'm afraid."

I wonder if this problem is somehow related to HP's choice of processor? Some users of other HPCs (NEC, Intermec/Sharp) when comparing to the HP have noted that this problem was Jornada specific. Perhaps it's not the OS after all?

"I have to admit in some 4 copies of a Psion 5MX I've never had a screen failure of any type in over 4 years."

Glad to hear that, I wonder though - why 4 5mx's in 4 years?

"A keyboard from one 5MX has been popped out of place so many times, I'm getting really fast at slipping it back in to it's slides."

What's the cause of this? I'm guessing you're not keeping that 5mx stored in a hardcase!

"I've had over 6 copies of the RevoPlus or Diamond Mako,"

Again: why so many?

"and I've had only one battery related problem"

Glad to hear that too. Unfortunately my one Mako was all too problematic :(

"The run time on a RevoPlus before having to recharge is just too short,"

The Mako was giving me 6-7 hours. That was too short a runtime for me too.

"and the self-discharge of the inaccessible rechargeable battery of the Revo really confused other members of my family with random usage."

Good point. If you don't use a PDA much (per day) you'd be better off with a good LiON cell or better yet sticking to alkalines. Either way best to avoid NiMH in such a case.

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David Lir - \\:>{o>

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Date: 17/09/2002 7:37:10 pm

From: Thomas Ullrich

Subject: Next netBook with choice of Symbian/EPOC or WinCE

Hot article at The Register:

netPad (not netBook) in test with WinCE (german version at Psionwelt or Mobile2Day)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27154.html

netPad successfully tested with CE in US and Europe! The next version of the netbook leaves the choice of the OS to the customer: WinCE or Symbian/EPOC !

And a faster CPU is necessary for CE...

What is your opinion?

Ciao

Thomas

http://www.psionwelt.net

http://www.mobile2day.net

http://organiser.pages.at

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Date: 17/09/2002 9:13:06 pm

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: SMS transfers to S7

Does anyone with a Nokia 9210 know if it is possible to transfer received SMS from the phone to the Psion using the "Synchronise with phone" option in the Email app? I used this option a lot when I used my 8210 but it doesn't work with the 9210, although fax and data work fine (I didn't even need to change my original 8210 modem settings).

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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