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Epoc Digest Fri, 10 Jan 2003 Volume 01 : Number 144

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Sent to: 720 subscribers

In today's Epoc Digest 28 messages:

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- Re: TaskNote and FreeNote

- Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

- Re: Typing with modem card in S7

- Re: Where to look for new applications

- Re: Two Columns in Word

- Sourcecode of Revtran

- RE: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

- Zaurus SL5500 availability. Overpriced "mini" laptops

- Re: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 135

- Series7/Netbook

- Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

- Re: netbooks for sale

- Sony Ericsson P800

- Where to find Dana information

- RMRBank / Powerbase / Start Folder

- PAYG and data

- 5mx: persistent 'Not found' message

- Re: Orange PAYG

- Re: DCalc Icon

- travel modem problem, ABP Question , Macro menu question, netBook,S7 battery,

- Pocketreader

- Animated GIFs on EPOC

- OPL question

- Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

- Dana

- GPRS 6510 Success & News Servers

- Ericsson p 800 BIG seller in Sweden

- Expansys or Clove, Orange PAYG

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:03:03 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: TaskNote and FreeNote

Dear Philip,

<< For all that are interested, the new versions of FreeNote and TaskNote are now available from http://www.philipbister.ukonline.co.uk >>

Allow me recommend that you add a short (2 or 3-line) description of each application to your next announcements. It's more likely that you'll trigger people's interest that way. It also saves others a visit to your web site, only to find that (say) TaskNote isn't really what they were looking for.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:03

From: Rolf Vonau

Subject: Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

Reference is made to the mail in the EPOC DIGEST V1 # 143 :

c.byatt wrote at 08.01 2003 (> ):

> When writing macros, is there any way directly to

> call specific menu items if they don't have a hot

> key equivalent?

> Using the arrow keys only works if you start from

> scratch - after you have called the menu once, any

> further calls of the menu will start from where

> you left off and then move relatively from there.

Hi Kit,

if you write SendKey:("Menu,2,1") for the choice of first menu, you always will be taken to the top of first menu, independent of the cursor's starting point or the prehistory. The "2" can be, of course, an other menu number, especially if you need to jump in the second menu.

Best Regards

Rolf

Munich

http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:04:21 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Typing with modem card in S7

Dear Itamar,

<< I suddenly noticed while typing a letter that in regular intervals suddenly two to three letters go missing from my letter ... Is anything known about this? >>

I always have a Psion Dacom Gold Card Global V.34 + Fax (what's in a name?) in my Series 7 and haven't noticed anything of the sort.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:04:37 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Where to look for new applications

Dear Steve,

<< Do any of you still use any of the software archive sites or know if any of them are kept up to date? >>

I'm no longer trawling the various web sites for new applications as my Psions have been 'application stable' for quite some time. That is, I already have the applications I really need. While what I miss can be answered by a bit of extra manual labour and/or some ad-hoc macro programming.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:04:43 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Two Columns in Word

Dear Manuel,

<< Does anybody know whether word manages two columns (I could not find a menu that would allow me to do so) >>

You've already answered your own question - Word doesn't support parallel or newspaper style columns. The only thing you can do is to create an artificial equivalent by using tabs. But that's a pig of a job.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 22:48:01 +0100

From: Reitinger Erich

Subject: Sourcecode of Revtran

Actually, RevTran reverse-translates itself very nicely ;-) ------------------------------------

The full source of RevTran is supposedly available online (i've never bothered to look), so anyone who has the know-how can work around the anti-revtran measures. (Maybe that's what that buddy of yours has done)

-----------------------------------------

Erich Reitinger

still on Psion Psion Psion Psion

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 23:28:47 +0100

From: "David Steer"

Subject: RE: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

>Subject: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

>When writing macros, is there any way directly to call specific menu items if they don't have a hot key

>equivalent? Two specific examples are Paste special and Delete in the Sheet menu.

>Using the arrow keys only works if you start from scratch - after you have called the menu once, any

>further calls of the menu will start from where you left off and then move relatively from there. I

>realise I could add an extra line at the end of the macro to call the menu up again and simply use the

>cursor keys to navigate the cursor back to the first option under "File", but that's not very elegant, &

>slows the macro down a bit (several steps instead of one).

>Bye for now

The solution is very simple, send the menu key, then send the number 1. Try it manuall and you will se that this takes you straight to the first menu. The same goes for 2,3,4...

Regards

David

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Date: 8 Jan 2003 23:59:23 +0100

From: "Stephane Sage"

Subject: Zaurus SL5500 availability. Overpriced "mini" laptops

Hello to all and "Très Bonne Année 2003" (a Very Happy New Year), with

special thanks to the Digest team.

Answer to David Kramer (and Mark Bridge, on Nov. 14)

David, have a look at http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml. This

(japanese) company boasts that it can provide you with any of the very

latest PDAs (classified as "gadgets" in their repertory...) or subnotebooks

that have been recently released in Japan only, adapting the embedded

software for the "English" user. They will provide you with their own

warranty (trhough free both ways FEDEX shipping from and to the US), where

the local importer or manufacturer branch doesn't.

Mark, you will presumably find on this site the way to buy micro laptops

under Microsoft cheaper than in UK or USA.

Stephane (Grenoble, France).

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 03:15:25 +0100

From: Mark DEPPE

Subject: Re: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 135

<<<Vlad worte:

A compact-flash reader (usb) will do to communication trick.

Fivetomac and mactofive to convert text data. Nconvet for a more complex conversion.

NEVER copy Psion system data.

NEVER delete the invisible data the Mac writes to the CF

and you should be fine.>>>

Yes never copy system folder files from the psion to the CF, this is difficult especially if the CF is used for backup, though I have difficulties even when I avoid this folder - I have tried 6 different CF card and 2 readers and they always do weird things to the CF cards adding sometimes hundreds of files and directories with dates like 1902 or 2008, with names and characters I can not even find in my extended character set and with physically impossible file sizes like 1GB on a 48MB card and it will if I try opening one of those folders freeze up the mac and on the psion you will just get the disk corrupt message. Strangely I recently brought a 1GB microdrive - which I will have to send back as it is so slow and slows down everything to an extent to make it useless - and though it did the same straight out of the box, after I reformatted it in the psion it is the first disk I can write happily to as much as I like from the psion including the system directory from the C: with no trouble at all, not a single weird file or crash (maybe this will help unravel the mystery I have yet to hear a definitive answer for this CF behaviour in a mac, when the same reader and cards work fine in a PC). Anyhow I am Macless now so will be returning the microdrive, disappointed as I brought it to use with citymaps but it is so slow just with 200MB of files on it I dread to think how it will be with more and how unresponsive the psion would get.

I have now heard (just read Brians response below) 2 confirmed reports that "SanDisk CF cards and readers with the Mac work. I have tried a SanDisk CF but not in a Sandisk reader and had the same trouble, so unless a mac user informs you differently use only SanDisk card and reader.

Kind regards

Mark

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 07:26:51 +0100

From: Derek Clark

Subject: Series7/Netbook

Following the reduced price netbook message I looked on ebay and saw that series 7 Psions are going fairly cheaply. I am not very knowledgeable about these machines although I have a MC218 that I use for Navigate, PsiJong, storing my CD collection details, and some e mailing. Besides colour what advantages would a Series 7/netbook bring? Will PsiJong and Navigate run on the 7/Netbook?

Thanks for any help.

Derek

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 07:54:41 +0100

From: "Sergio"

Subject: Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

Hi Kit

When writing macros, is there any way directly to call specific menu items if they don't have a hot key equivalent? Two specific examples are Paste special and Delete in the Sheet menu.

Using the arrow keys only works if you start from scratch - after you have called the menu once, any further calls of the menu will start from where you left off and then move relatively from there. I realise I could add an extra line at the end of the macro to call the menu up again and simply use the cursor keys to navigate the cursor back to the first option under "File", but that's not very elegant, & slows the macro down a bit (several steps instead of one).

It's not that elegant but a Fn+left arrow (Home) followed by a Fn+up arrow (PgUp) after opening the menu should solve your problem ;-)

Ciao

Sergio Alisi

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 08:04:00 +0100

From: Christoph

(Christoph Pulster)

Subject: Re: netbooks for sale

> From: Mike Robins

> Just seen Psion Netbooks for sale on Expansys.com for aboy £615.99

> inc VAT. http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PSI_NETBOOK1

> They are ex demo - the web site gives details

Quote from expansys.com:

This unit has been supplied to Expansys from One-ed, an Malaysian

company who specialise in the supply of technology to colleges. These

surplus units were part of a project which was never completed.

You should check out www.pdastreet.com before buying.

Christoph

PS: For all mailinglist-readers I like to give a discount:

netbook DIMM 32 MB Upgrade, 149 EUR / CF-card 256 MB 199 EUR !

my little Psion shttp://www.pulster.de

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 08:39:05 +0100

From: Kate Head

Subject: Sony Ericsson P800

Hi there,

I spoke to someone in our local Vodaphone store last week about the availability of the P800, and they said that Vodaphone were in discussion with Sony Ericsson about pricing etc.

All the best,

Kate!!

(in a snowy Bromley, South East UK - we had about 2 inches yesterday (5 cms))

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 08:59:18 +0100

From: "John George & Sons Ltd."

Subject: Where to find Dana information

Answer to: Itamar Engelsman

>To All: Where can we "simple mortals" find information on the Dana so much discussed here ?

The last issue of Palmtop magazine had a review of the dana. It uses Palm OS.

Philip

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 09:18:36 +0100

From: Andy Hayes

Subject: RMRBank / Powerbase / Start Folder

Hi All

It sounds as tough you use RMRBank in much the same way that I do. I need the fuel module as well. I think that RMRBank sometimes takes unfair criticism over its speed and size. As far as the latter is concerned I think that the SIS file is over 1mb, but look at all of the different modules that are in there. This is so much more than just a banking app. ABP looks really good, and Malcolm Bryant turns out brilliant freeware that he could have easily charged us all for as shareware, but it is looking more like it wont be able to replace the functionality of RMRBank. What I really need to know I suppose is the files that I must back up to come out of a hard reset (or) a CF failure unscathed.

For Jorge - Although I have the Powerbase tutorials printed out, it is likely that the original files I saved from Foxpops site are now long gone, but I will have a look.

This is going to seem like a really dim question from someone who has had Psions for so long, but I just want to make sure that I am not missing the obvious here. In my testing of ABP I decided that it should back itself up from C: to D: when it does its automatic backup. As I am a belt and braces man I am also using Crontab to kick of a TaBackup script that backs the original ABP file on C: to E: on a daily basis. This is all very fine and well as long as Crontab is running. In fact the same seems to be true of any of these apps that do things daily / hourly / weekly / whatever automagically. So, if they are not running, nothing happens. In 'good old windows' there is the start up folder. Any apps dropped into it start up when the PC is booted. I am correct in thinking that this is just not possible on an EPOC device aren't I?

Andy Hayes

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 09:59:05 +0100

From: "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN"

Subject: PAYG and data

Hi all,

I would like to add some experiences on this subject with the Dutch networks.

First, I find it funny, that the English call this system "Pay-as-you-go". The Dutch word for it is "prepaid card" (NOT "vooruitbetaalde kaart" or the like) and the Dutch think it is an English term. ;-)

To my knowledge Dutchtone (=Orange) and Ben (=T Mobile) offer complete data access standard on their PAYG plans. O2 offers this also and they have distributed approximately 150 000 free PAYG phones to introduce M-banking to Postbank clients. These particular chips are different from the standard O2 chips, but both seem to have full data access.

I don't know about Vodafone. They have just taken over Vizzavi from Vivendi and that is now their own WAP/data portal. I don't know if it is open to their PAYG clients.

Now for the special: KPN Telecom has *not* activated data (not even WAP) on their PAYG chips and according to the news group nl.telecom this is purposedly done to leave some benefits to the contract owners.

So: technically it is not any problem to immediately switch on full data functionality. It is a question of marketing.

I would also like to warn English PAYG users for the special 08 internet numbers. The Dutch 06760 numbers are heavily overcharged (in contracts as well as PAYG) compared to normal phone numbers.

Could anyone give me a breakdown on the availability of data on the French PAYG chips?

BTW, I just found out that my own network (Ben) suddenly started to charge extra for my 06760-numbers without any warning. They used to come from my free minutes. I just received the bill from october! You as fellow Psionists will understand that october, november and december will be quite costly!

(No guarantees; as you see Dutch networks can change their tarifs and service without any warning!)

Yours truly,

Thomas van der Zijden

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 11:50:02 +0100

From: <chris_cooper

Subject: 5mx: persistent 'Not found' message

I've recently done a hard reset of my 5mx, followed by a restore to the C-drive. I also have a CF card, which wasn't involved in the restore.

Since the reset, I've been getting the message 'Not found' apearing every time I switch on. When I clear it by pressing Escape, the machine switches to the System screen.

There seem to be no ill effects other than the nuisance.

How do I solve this?

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 12:45:00 +0100

From: ALYG

(Andrew Longdon)

Subject: Re: Orange PAYG

Kevin Thorne wrote:

> I suppose the only way to be certain is to pop a PAYG SIM into a > suitable handset and try it, but I have a feeling it won't work. _____________________________________________

Just in case you didn't see my post in the last Digest (it was the last of four comments I made on different subjects), here it is again:-

I've just put my Orange PAYG SIM into my "Talk 60" 6210e:

It WILL do data (I've just checked my email via the Psion), and the WAP works!

I'm also thinking of cancelling my contract with Orange, so you've done me a favour by asking the question! _____________________________________________

I've since been advised that one can convert a contract 'phone to PAYG and maintain the same number - ie Orange will supply a new PAYG SIM to replace the one in the contract 'phone. Whether that new SIM card will have data enabled is possibly another matter...

It seems impossible to get any hard information out of Orange - I've spent many minutes searching their website trying to find tariff comparisons between PAYG (it was called Just Talk when I got my first 'phone) and my contract (Talk 60 - which has also been replaced by the most complex

tariff system I've ever seen). From what little I've gleaned (from the current Carphone Warehouse booklet) it would appear to be cheaper to run

an Orange mobile off-peak using PAYG rather than contract - especially if, like me, all your friends have changed to other networks!

My apologies to readers who may think the above has drifted away from the topic of Psions but I think a fair amount of people use their machines

with mobiles...

,\ndy

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 17:03:14 +0100

From: "Steve Hodgson"

Subject: Re: DCalc Icon

So off-topic again...

Like probably many other digest subscribers I download the now-open-

source (binary) version of DCalc - thanks Marcus!

It gave me no small delight that the icon is a beautifully rendered

representation of an HP1X calculator. I'm in danger of straying into

slide rule territory again but for me those machines just represent the

pinnacle of calculator design. I always feel that when one uses a well

designed product such a Psion, Palm, calculator, kitchen knife ...

whatever everyday tasks become almost a pleasure and the design is such

that there is little need for a manual. I've yet to meet a well

designed video!

I am still using an HP15C that I bought way back in 1982 (ish) and it

is probably only on its third set of batteries. Those machines were

FREAKS that just seem to run forever!!

Cheers,

Steve Hodgson

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 17:08:32 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: travel modem problem, ABP Question , Macro menu question, netBook,S7 battery,

Answer to : Moshe Nahir

Re. travel modem problem - Before thinking about a repair, first check the cable as well. It could of course be that there is a fault with the cable. Also make sure the very obvious but sometimes overlooked point that the Psion IR modem settings still show IR connection and has not been changed to cable connection. Lastly, did you try and use it with your wife's S7 ? As to actual repair, I don't know who would repair it for you, sorry. Probably anyhow cheaper to look on eBay for a 2nd hand one.

Answer : Andy Hayes

Re. ABP Question - I seem to remember you bought a S7. ABP will show the reconciled transactions in a different colour from the not reconciled ones, making it easy to see which transactions are still outstanding and not. I indeed only copy to an archive file once a year. I still have to do 2002 and the file is 32K, so no need really to archive each month.

Answer : Kitt

Re. Macro menu question - I don't think there is the option you are looking for. However, after opening the menu a Ctrl-n-Left will bring you in one stroke to the top left of the menu from where you can start again. In Lotus 123 you can give a command "windowsoff" and "windowson" that will stop the screen updating until the end of the macro. A pitty that does not exist in MACRO5.

Re. Sheet example - Thanks, yes, I find it very interesting to read how other users use their Psion. In this case, being a Director and getting paid neither per hour nor overtime, I have no use for your sheet <BG>. But the idea is good.

Answer to: Peter

Re. netBook - My S7 was bought summer 2002 and has the same markings in the Esc and spacebar keys, so I doubt these are that new. It appears that slowly the clamshell users are pushed towards the laptop market with a simple palm for agenda and data files. Well, maybe one day in the future someone will believe there is still a market for keyboard machines.

Answer : Kevin Thorne

Re. S7 battery - And as I now have a spare battery for the S7 as well, I can safely use my modemcard even when traveling. It is indeed less to carry and it connects each and every time without failing (important from hotel rooms where each call is billed separately, not to mention mobile phones outside the UK ...). However, after 6 months I still did not get a bill for my GPRS usage in Europe. Long may it last !

Great to read about a reduced netBook ... only to hear they are already out of stock <sigh>.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 20:53:35 +0100

From: Trygve Henriksen

Subject: Pocketreader

Greetings!

Jan R Gustafsson wrote:

> The discussion on Maplin's service made me interested in the

> Siemens pen. (Any sign from them Trygve?) There must be other

> webshops that offer it for a reasonable price, any suggestions?

No sign of it yet, and when I checked Maplin's website today, I found my order 'pending transaction authorisation' or something...

Seems there's something wrong with the credit card info or something.

(No, they haven't mailed me to get it rectified)

If any other webshops still have it, it won't be for long. It's discontinued by Siemens.

(They have even updated the www.pocketreader.com website with that bit)

It'll probably begin to show up in huge lots on eBay soon...

:-)

Trygve

Who's busy converting a text file containing the Casio PB 100 manual into .html

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Date: 9 Jan 2003 21:03:57 +0100

From: Kate Head

Subject: Animated GIFs on EPOC

>>Date: 8 Jan 2003 12:50:14 +0100

>>From: Jorge Ramos

>>Subject: Animated GIFs on EPOC?

>>(1) Anyone know of any EPOC software/apps to display Animated GIFs on >>a 5mx/MC218?

Hi there,

Opera web browser seems to work quite well with animated .gif files, as does the Psion web browser (click on File and Open File... in both programs)

(can't help with problems 2 or 3).

All the best,

Kate!!

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 00:00:17 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: OPL question

I'm working on a macro and need to put around 50 string constants into an array. In Basic (in the bad old days), I would have used a "DATA" sentence to hold the data like this.

Data "Hello","this","is","the","data"

Followed by a loop with READ a$(i)

How do I do this in OPL?

(I'm quite happy to hold the data in a seperate file if it makes it any simpler and someone would like to tell me how.)

PS. I have the book Programming Psion Computers, but couldn't find anything. If it's described in the book, maybe someone could point me to the relevant page.

Owen

Thought for the day:

If all is not lost, where is it?

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 00:00:26 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Macro menu (or menu macro) query

Howdy!

Kit wrote (> ):

> Using the arrow keys only works if you start from

> scratch - after you have called the menu once, any

> further calls of the menu will start from where

> you left off and then move relatively from there.

There's a way around this. Hitting the number key corresponding to a drop down menu will bring up that menu. So, if you hit <Menu> and then <2>, you'll get the second drop down menu. As you said, if you then select item five on that menu, the next time you hit <Menu>, you'll get the second drop down menu with the fifth item selected and if you repeat the exact same key sequence, you'll end up somewhere else.

The way around it in a macro is to send "Menu", "1", "2" and four "Down"s. Going via another drop down menu (Number one in this case) ensures that the cursor is at the top of the list when you come back to the one you wanted.

Good Luck.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Saint:

A dead sinner revised and edited.

- Ambrose Bierce

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 00:09:49 +0100

From: Jim Watson~Goive

Subject: Dana

Itamar,

<<To All: Where can we "simple mortals" find information on the Dana so much discussed here ?>>

I forget where I first heard about it - probably here. Palmtop Magazine ran two articles that mentioned it - a bit lacking in detail unfortunately. I got the impression from the write-up that there was no connection to a modem and no mention was made about email.

The scam is to produce a child-proof computer cheap enough to sell in large numbers to schools - one per desk in the classroom. It looks very basic, has a full sized keyboard and a screen that reminds me (in the photos) of the old Model 100 (my first computer - lovd it and used it up until I got my 3a).

The childproof part appeals (even though it looks like it was dsigned to appeal to a kid) since I've been shipping Psions back to Psion USA about once each year sine my 3a) as did the price ($400 US), but held off because of the email/modem issue.

When my 5mx broke (again) I did a Google search 9on "Palm Dana" and came up with lots of reviews and found that it will connect to a modem and that it comes with email software.

I ordered mine through Amazon dot com (I do a large amount of shopping through them) via a libary computer - $440 bundled with a modem.

I will undoubtedly get the 5mx fixed again and run both platfoms. If the Dana doesn't work for me I'm not out that much and will probably add a NetBook to the stable.

A search engine will probably get you more than you want to know as (my perecption is) the machine seems to be taking off. And I'll post me expeiences, good and bad, to the list. As I'm not a power user (Eiutan Gilboa once called me a power word processor) there's a lot of Psion capability that I'm not using anyway.

jim - port angeles washington

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 16:31:36 +0100

From: Colin Messer

Subject: GPRS 6510 Success & News Servers

I have successfully configured my 5mx and Nokia 6510 for GPRS and can now browse the World Wide Web with ease. I found a number of useful resource that enabled me to reach this happy state. Worth of mention are the excellent Mike McConnell's site www.mikemcc.net, and www.Nokia.com that provided me with N6510_Psion_Devices.pdf for configuring Psions with the 6510, and Nokia_AThelp.pdf that helped to explain the AT commands that I was using.

My thanks to past posters to digest without whom I could not have achieved this small miracle.

Now a question or two about News Servers. I was accessing news.ukonline.co.uk by calling the UKOnline telephone number and using GSM. I am now accessing the internet through the Vodafone GPRS Access Point Name 'internet', and can no longer reach the UKOnline News Server. How do I find out what News Servers are now available to me? There is probably a range of servers that differ in news groups, cost and quality. I know that as I use RMRNews I need to find a news server that sequences the posts correctly so some experimentation will be required.

Regards

Colin Messer

Twickenham

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 18:19:23 +0100

From: "Arent Kits van Heijningen[106016.3614]"

Subject: Ericsson p 800 BIG seller in Sweden

Ericsson p 800 BIG seller in Sweden

According to Sweden's leading mobile telecom magazine's Mobil.se the P 800 is a huge seller with a 13.6 % share in total sales despite the phone only being available from Christmas Eve's eve ( Christmas Eve is a full holiday in Scandinavia )

Daniel Lindholm, Director of Maketing of Geab , a large mobile phone reseller -comparable to Carphone Warehouse - calls the sales of this model "remarkable" in vieuw of its EUR 800 price tag

In fact the P 800 is at fourth position in the top ten in terms of turnover

Full article at :

http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/visa.asp?id=6147&sid=1

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Date: 10 Jan 2003 19:04:03 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: Expansys or Clove, Orange PAYG

Reply to Simon Wolf:

Subject: Expansys or Clove?

I can't comment personally on Expansys as I've never used them but I have used Clove now for at least six years for all my PDA needs and have found them to be excellent. Their after-sales service and speed of delivery is particularly good and I like the fact they know Psions inside out. I have no connections with them - just a satisfied customer :-)

Reply to Andrew Longdon:

Subject: Orange PAYG

<I've just put my Orange PAYG SIM into my contracted 6210e:

It will do data (I've just checked my email with the Psion), and the WAP works!

I'm also thinking of cancelling my contract with Orange, so you've done me a favour by asking the question!>

Thanks Andrew, that's exactly what I wanted to know - someone who has actually tried a PAYG SIM in a data-enabled handset and can actually confirm data does work. I too am now thinking of escaping my contract (when it expires in June) going over to PAYG!

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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