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Epoc Digest Sat, 18 Jan 2003 Volume 01 : Number 150

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In today's Epoc Digest 22 messages:

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- NETBOOK II / MATCHMAKING / P800

- Psion Data for Pocket PC?

- RE: Pocket Readers and Maplin Electronics

- RMRBank versus Money

- Sync Revo-Outlook -> warning message

- CF cards and a Mac # 149

- Keeping Revo's going

- NetBook II

- Vodafone's GPRS Price plans

- Re: Psion User Group Database Application

- Re: OPL Question

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 149

- Re: GETEVENT (was: OPL problem (Morse-It macro))

- NetBook II

- Agenda List/Outlook Sync Problem

- Spelling, Psion Dacom Gold Card, GPRS 6510,

- RE: lost 5mxPro os files

- Osaris, S5 Classic and GeoFox users to Beta test Morse-It please.

- Slow RMR Bank, Sharp, Reader survey, Sherlock apologies

- pdf printer available

- OPL question

- Re : Exporting Agenda

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 20:53:10 +0100

From: Peter Keene

Subject: NETBOOK II / MATCHMAKING / P800

Hi Guys,

The silly season and the summer holidays are all but over down here - you can almost drive around Cape Town again... almost.

For Gary re netBook II:

Hmm, a netBook with MS Word and Excel - that sounds ominously like the WINCE version. Hope there'll be an EPOC version for us hold-outs. Netpad adverts in the US are now touting both versions.

For Buzz re an EPOC tutor in the Bay area:

Far be it from me to play EPOC matchmaker but if you look carefully at the postings you'll find a few potential tutors in the Bay area. Probably best to let one of them contact you now that they know you're in need.

For Jan G re P 800 (scarcity thereof):

Same problem down here Jan, can't be had for love nor money. I'll just sulk until I get to play with one :-<

Regards,

Peter

Cape Town RSA

PS: Am I imagining it, or are there a lot of new names making really great postings? My learning curve is a lot steeper lately.

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:02:15 +0100

From: "Sekreteraren & Assistenten"

Subject: Psion Data for Pocket PC?

Does anyone know of a programme like Psion Data for the Pocket PC? Preferably a programme that would allow me to import (export) my Data files with text format intact.

Peter

Den engelska sekreteraren och den amerikanska assistenten

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:06:29 +0100

From: "Chris Cooper"

Subject: RE: Pocket Readers and Maplin Electronics

For UK Digestees: there are still some available in individual Maplin stores. I finally gave up on the Customer Services Dept and phoned the Milton Keynes store; they said they had five units, and I drove there and collected one last Tuesday.

The thing actually works! Under favourable conditions and with great care, ...

Chris

[Details for anyone interested: 29.99 pounds from:

Unit 2, Office World Building, Snowdon Drive Winterhill, Milton Keynes MK6 1BH

Tel : 01908 692 720

Fax : 01908 692 725

Opening Hours :

9.00am to 8.00pm Mon to Fri.

9.00am to 6.00pm Sat

11.00am to 5.00pm Sun.]

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 14:05:31 +0100

From: Jan R Gustafsson

Subject: FW: Pocket reader

FYI

Regards,

Jan G

Stockholm, Sweden

<<<

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Subject: FW: Pocket reader

Author: "Barbara.Thompson"

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:35:50 +0100

Dear Mr Gustafsson,

Thank you for your e mail.

The pocket reader you are requesting is now discontinued.

Kind Regards

Barbara

Please send any replies

-----Original Message-----

From: Jan R GustafsSent: 08 January 2003 20:34

To: sales

Subject: Pocket reader

Hi!

Is the Siemens Pocket reader not longer for sale or...?

Regards,

Jan G

Sweden

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:08:53 +0100

From: "Simon Wolf"

Subject: RMRBank versus Money

Kevin, I think that a lot of the speed issued in RMRBank are due to it being written in OPL whereas Money is a C++ application. I personally find RMRBank very usable on my netBook but it is a bit slow on my 5mx or Revo. However, like you said, the sheer scope of features (the home inventory module has just caused my to double the value of my contents insurance!) is second to none and it is an extremely mature product.

Kind regards.

Simon Wolf

Webmaster, Epoczone

http://www.epoczone.com

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:14:44 +0100

From: "Sekreteraren & Assistenten"

Subject: Sync Revo-Outlook -> warning message

When I synchronise my Revo with Outlook I get a message saying something in the meaning of “A programme is trying to access addresses saved in Outlook - will you allow this?” (Translated from Swedish message)

I’m running Windows 2000 Pro (SP3) and PsiWin 2.3. It has worked without messages like this before - I’ve just done a complete re-installation on my pc (silly me).

Can someone please point me in the right direction to solving this problem?

Peter

Den engelska sekreteraren och den amerikanska assistenten

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:55:50 +0100

From: vlad arghir

Subject: CF cards and a Mac # 149

> Brian Houghton wrote:

> In OS 9, files must be dragged onto my hard drive icon for them to copy > successfully.

Just press "alt" and you can also copy to the desktop.

> Also, I delete the files that my Mac writes to the CF card fairly regularly My experience is that if you delete the files/folders (some invisible on

both machines, see my last post) the MAc writes to the CF (and to any media, ftm), the CF is going to have to be reformatted pretty soon.

> I imagine that if they are formatted by Mac or left in their

> native formatting, it might cause a problem as these files

> are there to indicate folder structure, etc

Yes. And I sometimes had to format w. the Mac, as the Psion told me that it cannot. I then reformatted them in the Psion.

1- Since I gave up making safety copies of system data, all my CFs are ok

2- The Finder (9.1) occasionally restarts when moving Psion data around (I keep ebooks, .sis etc. handy for transfer w. a CF reader).

I would very much like to understand what is going on in the data and folder structure that causes these and the other wondrous things (see my last

post).

best,

vlad

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 22:26:00 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Keeping Revo's going

Answer to: Anthony Napier

I think the best way for the REVO is to take out all the batteries and keep it "dry". Hever, you will need a proper back-up for this which you should ideally have on a PC which you can easily connect via the serial port. The disadvantage of the REVO is the lack of a CF slot. As to contnueing the operating system, in order to compete a considerable investment into updating the OS would be necessary, which at the moment is not likely to come from anyone.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:07:10 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: NetBook II

Reply to Gary Y Reyes:

Subject: NetBook II

Can you give us any more info on this Gary?

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:14:45 +0100

From: Colin & Ali Messer

Subject: Vodafone's GPRS Price plans

Itamar wrote:

>> Re. GPRS - Careful, I did not write "prohibitively expensive", >> just that it is not as cheap an option as one thinks.

Indeed, my words not yours.

>> Yes, I do still have the spreadsheet and will send it to you by >> email.

Thanks, most helpful. I still manage my 5mx like a Revo and cull old files I no longer need; and that with 78MB of unsed space on my CF.

>> The strange thing is that GPRS5 with Vodaphone is

>> noteaper than GPRS1, as it costs 5x as much. I never

>> understood their system of charging for GPRS without any

>> discount for higher volume.

I looked again at Vodafone's GPRS price plans. What I think the prices mean is:

GPRS1 GBP6.38, excess GBP4.25

- upto 1MB for 6.38 per MB, thereafter 4.25 per MB

GPRS5 GBP14.89, excess GBP2.90

- upto 5MB for 2.98 per MB, thereafter 2.90 per MB

GPRS15 GBP23.83, excess GBP1.50

- upto 15MB for 1.59 per MB, thereafter 1.50 per MB

So the per MB cost drops from 6.38 to 2.98 to 1.59.

Regards

Colin

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:19:28 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: Psion User Group Database Application

Howdy!

Marek Oswiecimski quoted (> ):

> "The comprehensive relational database utility for

> your Ericsson MC218 in business. Choose MultiVue

> Standard; - takes your EPOC databases and displays

> the data how you want. With fully configurable

> screen layouts, fast record search, and fast edit

> facility, plus links to your Agenda.

> * Multiply selection - up to three criteria at one

> time.

This is the one important feature that is missing from the EPOC Data application. Please, please please can someone tell us where we can find this application. Being able to do nested searches on EPOC Data files would be so useful!

Owen

Thought for the day:

You should try everything once,

with the exception of incest and morris dancing.

- Sir Thomas Beecham

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:20:00 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: OPL Question

Howdy!

Rolf Brunsting wrote (> ):

> Why don't you create a comma delimited plain ASCII

> text file to fill a string array using a recursive

> file I/O procedure?

I ended up creating a datafile which works fine. (Thank's for the help Rolf Vonau!) The main reason I wanted to avoid an external file was that I now need to distribute two files for the macro rather than one.

Morse-It is in the final stages of Beta testing and I may revert to filling up the array with Code$(X)="Y" statements so there will be only one file to distribute for the final release. I have a hunch this will actually make the finished macro take less disk space than the combination of .OPO and .DAT files. I've come to the conclusion that whilst having the data in an external file makes the source code easier to read, there are no advantages to the end user.

Owen

Thought for the day:

After all is said and done, usually more is said than done.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:21:14 +0100

From: "Moshe Nahir"

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 149

Hi all,

Thanks much to Itamar and the others who helped with my travel modem problem. I accepted your advice and ordered a new modem from Clove Technologies, and am looking forward to emailing again with my 5mx, as I have become so used to.

By the way, I was told by the Psion dealer in Canada and by POS (London) that the modem cannot be repaired because the chip is not available to them. I think that for a company (Psion) to manufacture a product (cost me $300 Can.) and not supply parts that would enable their repair but force its users to buy a new product is very, very poor, perhaps bordering on deception!!!

Anyway, thanks again to those who helped and to the good people of the Digest.

Moshe Nahir

Winnipeg, Canada

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Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:50:54 +0100

From: "Jason Garbutt"

Subject: Re: GETEVENT (was: OPL problem (Morse-It macro))

On 16 Jan 2003 18:12:44 +0100, Owen H. Morgan wrote: "After I the last message, I found that GETEVENTA may solve my problem, but I haven't figured out how to use it."

Hi Owen,

Last year I wrote a program which creates a small floating window, on top of the current application, showing the date & time at switch on (and also checks if there are any voice notes). I wanted something which gave me the date & time very visibly but didn't get in the way - so I designed it such that it vanishes the instant you do anything - click anywhere on the screen, press any key (incl. shift, ctrl etc). As it also needs to loop to rewrite the date and recheck for voice messages, it uses GETEVENT32 to check when it goes into the background, and then to wait for a switch on event before popping up again. I can't remember exactly how GETEVENT works but may have some documentation somewhere. In the meantime, if you'd like a copy of the program to look at, let me know & I'll mail it to you.

BTW, it's freeware so it won't need hacking ;-)

Regards,

Jason

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 03:53:06 +0100

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: NetBook II

>Date: 15 Jan 2003 22:39:45 +0100

>From: Itamar Engelsman >Subject: Repair, spell check, software, NetBook II, On/Off problem, >

>Answer to: Gary Y Reyes

>Re. NetBook II - Interesting news. Can you back it up by giving us sources = >or a website ?

>Best regards,

>Itamar Engelsman

Itamar,

Replying to you off-list so that I don't compromise any marketing or launch plans Psion may have.

I let this slip on our grouplist to keep those intending to shift to other platforms from doing so.

This is news I got last November at a Psion Conference here in Asia where preliminary specs were released for the NetBook II. By the way, it will be a Windows CE machine as it appears Symbian is unable to spend time and resources anymore on EPOC because they are concentrating on the smartphones market.

Mail me off-list if you have any questions.

By the way, our company is the Psion Industrial/Teklogix distributor for the Philippines, hence my being at the conference. Don't tell Psion about our discussion :-)!!!

Regards,

Gary

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 07:50:19 +0100

From: "James Cooke"

Subject: Agenda List/Outlook Sync Problem

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Date: 15 Jan 2003 22:00:16 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Exporting Agenda find list, mail folders

Dear Kevin,

Regarding : Exporting Agenda find list

<Snip)

What you need is a small utility that reads the Agenda file, filters the appointments (or other) you're interested in out of it, and stores them in Word or plain text format. It can be done but I don't know whether such a utility already exists. A Google web search might help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---

Indeed, the program already exists. It's freeware and called Agenda Dump with both SIBO and EPOC versions available. It can be found at any of the usual Psion software sites.

As an interesting counterpoint to the whole question about list views in the S3, one of the reasons Agenda Dump was originally developed was that the list view had too few filtering options to satisfy a lot of users. Agenda Dump was developed to allow more filtering of agenda data and then "dump" the data to a CSV file to be printed from spreadsheet, including Psion Sheet. I've used it many times to export client billing data from both SIBO and EPOC machines and it works very well.

Regards, Jim

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Date: 15 Jan 2003 22:20:57 +0100

From: "Hoffman, Susan"

Subject: Odd Synchronization Problem

I synch my 5mx agenda with Outlook, and my Blackberry agenda with Outlook. I recently entered an appointment for 7:30pm on June 11, 2003 on the 5mx, and when I synched with Outlook last week, I noticed today that it did not transfer to Outlook (who knows how many other appointments didn't synch, either). I tried deleting it on the 5mx and re-inserting it, and then synching again. This time, the synch program deleted it from the 5mx (so it wasn't anywhere). I again entered it on the 5mx, and synched again, and it showed up in Outlook. I tried resetting the properties of the synchronization template each time (I have it set for a 10-month future period). Has this happened to anyone else? Any explanation?

Susan Katz Hoffman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------

Susan,

Yes, I have had this same problem on occasion. It normally only happens with one entry. The problem has always been on the Outlook side, as your experiment showed, since it wouldn't have been deleted from your Psion if Outlook didn't think you were deleting an existing appointment. I've never seen a satisfactory explanation for this. I do know that running Windows XP and Outlook 2002 has eliminated the problem. Outlook 97 and 98 were particularly prone to this problem, and running either under Win2K seemed to exacerbate the problem.

Regards, Jim

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 08:25:09 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Spelling, Psion Dacom Gold Card, GPRS 6510,

Answer to : ALL

Re. Spelling - Checking the SPELL program on my S7 I entered "Organizer" and it corrected it to "Organiser". I think, as fervent Psion users, this should be the final word ..... ? <BG>

Answer to: Rolf Brunsting

Re. Psion Dacom Gold Card - Thanks for the efforts. I think I can safely say it is the Gold Card, as when I take it out the problem disappears and when I put it back in again it is present again. My answer wasrected to you, but meant of course for all digest readers, maybe someone else had/has the same problem (as one reader already replied as well stating he does have it). Re. GPRS 6510 - Yes, of course web surfinf would be cheaper, but I can't imagine many people surfing the net with GSM as it would be extremely expensive on a regular basis. However, when using the mobile phone & Psion mainly for emailing like myself GPRS is not all that much cheaper (but for usage in Europe by UK Vodaphone users, I was still not charged for my GPRS usage in Scandinavia and Holland of last August and September ... <G>)

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 14:53:19 +0100

From: Rob Bell

Subject: RE: lost 5mxPro os files

Hi All,

To begin, German friend of mine bought herself a 5mx pro from ebay about a year ago. initially she had difficulties reading her OS flash card and sent it away to the German psion repair centre. They return it allegedly repaired?

Soldered the flash card micro switch! However after a few weeks of no use, she discovered when she switched on her psion that it was refusing to read her flash card.

She and her psion are now in the uk and I have just re repaired her dry soldered psion however, discovered that the flash card she is using does not contain any os system files? (as i am able to read this with my uk 5mx)

I have tried enabling hidden files and system folders but still with no success. Further she has not made a back up of these files anywhere.

Firstly, what OS files are we probably missing?, how big are these? and how do we go about getting them. As it is a German version pro, presumably the files would be German OS?

I have tried many searches with google etc, and perused the German psion site with no success of finding info about these files.

Thanks in advance for any help

Robert Bell

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 15:27:41 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Osaris, S5 Classic and GeoFox users to Beta test Morse-It please.

Hi.

My Morse-It macro is almost ready for final release. It has been tested on the MC218, Series 5mx, Revo Plus (Diamond Mako) and NetBook. I assume what works with the NetBook also works on the Series 7, but I would like to have it tested on the Osaris and S5 Classic, and why not the GeoFox One. The Beta testers should preferably be familiar with Macro5 or one of the other macro launchers.

Morse-It works under Macro5, Merlin and Assistant. I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work with all macro launchers that support the Macro5 language, but if anyone is using a different one from those listed above, I would be grateful if you could test the macro with it. It doesn't matter which type of EPOC device you use.

As Morse-It is Freeware, the only thing you gain from helping me Beta test it is eternal good Karma and a pint of Guinness if we ever meet... :o)

Owen

Thought for the day:

Toothache tends to start on Saturday night.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 16:47:20 +0100

From: Will Green

Subject: Slow RMR Bank, Sharp, Reader survey, Sherlock apologies

Hello all,

---------------------- RMR Bank

Regarding Kevin Thorne's complaint about slow RMR Bank (I think thats what its called).

I was reading an old copy of Palmtop in the pub last night and it said that RMR Bank is completely written in OPL (Psion BASIC like language), where as TomTom Money is written in C++ (Machine code style).

---------------------- Sharp, to the bottom of the glass.

I was also interested to read the Sharp Zharous (I'm sure thats not what its called but there definately a few Z's going on) should have been released with EPOC 5 but they must have changed to Linux at a later stage.

---------------------- Where in the world?

I thought it would an interesting excercise to find out from which countries in the world our digest family is made up of.

If you emwith your country I'll put together a a little percentage user location chart that I'll post back on the digest.

----------------------- Sherlock delay.

Sorry for the delay in sending out my Data format Sherlock database to those who requested it, Christmas got in the way!

I'm making a few final touches and will be emailing it this weekend to those who requested (I've kept your email addresses safe).

If there are any additional digestives who like a copy at the same time let me know.

PS I will be forwarding a copy to 3-lib to see if I can get it included on Steve's Pocket Info.

Cheers,

Will.

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 16:57:13 +0100

From: Brian Houghton

Subject: pdf printer available

In response to whether a public release of PDF Printer is available, the answer is YES! You can find more about it at www.mbrainsoftware.com .

It can also be purchased from Handango. It is a great piece of software as, for me, it really extends the functionality of EPOC.

brian

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 16:59:44 +0100

From: Simon Jeffree

Subject: OPL question

To Owen H. Morgan / Damian Walker:

On: 14 Jan 2003 19:35:56 +0100

Damian Walker wrote:

<< Regarding Owen H. Morgan's question about READ and DATA: these statements aren't available in OPL, as far as I know. The most elegant solution I know, for large amounts of data, is to create a simple file with the Data application, and read it back using OPL's database access commands OPEN, FIRST, NEXT and CLOSE. >>

The 'official' way of doing it is with a resource file. The 'System.OXH' file has the following procedures for handling resouce files:

LoadRsc&:(file$) Loads the resource file file$ and returns a handle for it.

UnLoadRsc:(id&) Unloads the resource file whose handle is id&.

ReadRsc$:(id&) Reads the resource in a resource file specified by id& which must already be loaded.

ReadRscLong&:(id&) Reads a 32-bit value from a resource file specified by the id& which must already be loaded.

As for how you create the resource file in the first place, I'm not sure, but it's probably all documented somewhere in the OPL Development Kit.

HTH

Simon Jeffree

Maidstone, Kent, UK

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Date: 17 Jan 2003 17:18:49 +0100

From: J.

Subject: Re : Exporting Agenda

to Kevin,

Subject : Exporting Agenda find list

<< ER5 can do a halfway house i.e. it can display all searched entries but as far as I know, cannot export this data - in fact I'm sure it can't! Is there any workaround to this? >>

I could suggest this workaround :

"More/Tidy.../copied..." as needed

then printsetup to General via File...

Jack

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