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Epoc Digest Thu, 03 Apr 2003 Volume 01 : Number 220
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In today's Epoc Digest 18 messages:
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- Re: Netbook power
- A Question on Modems
- C700 Again
- Re: NetBook with Cisco 340 WiFi card and WEP?
- Re: Battery care
- Re: netBook power, etc
- Laws / Instant-On
- Re: Software for Record collection
- Pocketable USB hard disk
- 7 In car?, Battery care,
- Large CF Disks
- Re: WLAn, silvester.org -- Printing via Ethernet?
- Mailing Labels
- More Battery and CF Questions
- Re: New Psion - Screen Cable
- Re: C700 Redux
- Re: Re: Powering ntBook in car... # 218 (6)
- Malaysian netBook
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:51:54 +0000
From: Tony Cabot
Subject: Re: Netbook power
Just thought I should mention that POD ltd. sells a 12V to 15.5V plug in car adapter for the NetBook. It says it is rated for 1 Amp. It is about 5 inches long with a maximum diameter of about 1.5 inches. I can't remember what I paid for it, but it wasn't a lot.
Tony Cabot
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 03:19:29 +0000
From: "Gary Y Reyes"
Subject: A Question on Modems
Rolf,
Totally off-topic but can I call on your expertise to shed light on modems?
From the time the first modems came out, there was a very fast move to higher speed modems until the industry came out with 56kbps modems.
But why does it seem now like the development has stopped and we don't see any news about modem speeds greated than 56k for desktop or internal PC modems?
Thanks,
Gary
_______________________________________
EDSAMAIL. Internet the way YOU WANT IT.
www.edsamail.com.ph
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 07:42:11 +0000
From: "Jim Cooke"
Subject: C700 Again
> Date: 1 Apr 2003 05:05:58 +0000
> From: "Wong Koi Hin"
> Subject: RE: C700 Redux
>
>
>
> To: "Jim Cooke"
> Subject: C700 Redux
>
> Dear Jim,
>
SNIP
>
> You might not know, but people on this list certainly are
> using something other than MS for their PDAs and handheld
> computing needs and I suspect given a choice for their PDAs,
> they would much rather be using a non-MS platform. So while
> Peter was expressing an opinion shared by many on this list,
> your information, factual though it may be, is somewhat
> irrelevant here. As I recalled we are talking about Handheld
> PCs/PDAs here, not laptops or desktops.
It may be irrelevant to you but once PDA's get to be near the size of a
mini-notebook and have the same battery life, the comparison biomes more
valid.
> Again, while Peter was preaching to the choir, you are
> obviously talking to the wrong crowd, a lot of people on this
> list have been using their Psions very well despite not
> having 100% compatibility with MS products, and I suspect
> they would take the Symbian OS any day over 100% MS
> compatibility if it means using MS OSes.
And you're preaching to what you believe to be the truth. If there was this
huge pool of people who wanted to have a Psion then Psion would still be
producing the Revo. Many people have given up on their Psion's because they
can't reliably sync to any desktop PIM. I don't know what you do for a
living but being able to keep my schedule up in Outlook is important to me
being able to keep my job. Also, remember that the "crowd" here is ~700
people, hardly a representative sample of what the world wants, let alone
what the average Psion owner wants.
> I suspect many people on this list would see this as a
> problem, we are all so used to instant on AND off, in that 30
> seconds while you are booting up your laptop, I would have
> opened up my psion, jot down down some notes. Off it, on it
> shortly after because I just remembered to check my agenda,
> jot a To-Do and off it again.
You can suspect whatever you want about the ~700 people on this list but
they are not representative of the population as a whole. In addition, the
Sony provides a sleep mode that powers up in less than 5 seconds so your
argument doesn't hold water.
> Jim, I believe you are talking on a different wavelength to
> Peter. Peter is talking about a possible Revo sucessor, while
> you are talking about a mini-laptop which is better being
> compared to a psion Netbook, I certainly dont see the Sony
> C1VN as ANY PDA successor, and I strongly doubt anyone on
> this list does either.
I didn't say that the Sony was a PDA. I was pointing out that in size,
capability, and price, the Sony wasn't far off the C700 and had a lot more
capability.
> You are also wrong about the
> dimensions of the machine. Here they are from the official sites:
>
> Revo
> 157mm x 97mm x 17mm
> 200g
>
> Sharp C-700
> 120 x 83mm x 18.6mm
> 225g
>
> May I ask where you did you get the impression the C-700 is a
> lot bigger and heavier than the Revo?
From: http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/021112.html
External dimensions
(W x D x H) Approx. 120 x 83 x 18.6 mm (4.7" x 3.3" x 0.7")
excluding protuberances and height at thinnest section - This rather
different than giving the ACTUAL dimensions of the C700. My car, at it's
thinnest section, had a rather different height than it does overall.
The weight is listed at 225 grams or 7.9 ounces
From:
http://www.psionplace.com/hardware/Psion-Revo-2000-08-18-psion-psion-spec.ht
ml
Size (Inches): 6.2 x 3.1 x 0.7 These are the ACTUAL dimensions without any
babble about protuberances or thinnest section
Weight: 1.45 oz - which looks to me to be about 1/4 of the C700.
Another question - the C700 is almost 1.5 inches less in width than a Revo
yet they claim the have a fully fledged keyboard. How did they manage that
in those dimensions? Seems more than a little difficult to believe those
dimensions can be right.
> Also, Peter in his last mail did not specify the shirt
> pocket, he just mentioned the C-700 is pocketable.
Maybe you need to re-read Peter's post as the reference to being carried in
his shirt pocket is in the first paragraph. I didn't just make it up.
> I look forward to your responses.
You've got 'em. BTW, I noticed you made no response to my questions about
the capitalization or repair facilities of the company that's apparently
localizing the software and OS to English. Regardless of how cool the thing
looks in the pictures and the specs, the company that sells them still
matters. I also haven't seen any evidence of what the warranty coverage is
yet. The Sharp page also lists that Japanese versions of Windows are
necessary to connect to the C700. No mention of Linux at all. So it appears
you're still stuck with Windows (assuming the port to English works) to
connect to a Linux PDA. Seems pretty silly to me.
Regards, Jim
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 08:21:28 +0000
From: "Marcus von Cube"
Subject: Re: NetBook with Cisco 340 WiFi card and WEP?
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:47:10 +0000, Epoc Digest wrote:
>Has anyone tried (successfully) to use WEP with a radio LAN on the NetBook - any additional software needed? I apologise if this has been covered in the digest before - I only just joined.
I don't know about the Cisco card. I'm using an Agere (Lucent) Orinoco WaveLan Gold which supports 128bit WEP :-), but it blocks the stylus :-(
Marcus
http://www.mvcsys.de
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 08:24:39 +0000
From: "Thomas Richter"
Subject: Re: Battery care
Hi Tony,
> a) back this up to my PC
Yes!
> let it run down to full discharge and leave it discharged No!
Keeping the discharged battery for some time is a sure way to damage it.
> b) Keep it attached to a charger hence fully charged on "stand by"
If the charger is smart enough not to try further charging, then this is the way to get the longest life out of your batteries. But it's still a waste of electrical energy... and you need an extra charger.
> c) charge it fully every so often and let it discharge before charging it again?
That's what I would do. Charge it on a schedule, e.g. once in a month, before it is completely discharged.
Tom
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 08:55:57 +0000
From: Andrew Gregory
Subject: Re: netBook power, etc
Re: Trygve Henriksen, netBook power...
> 1. I wouldn't trust those switchable 12V adapters for further than I can > throw them.
> Most of them have only a very basic surge protection or smoothing, so
> isn't fit to power delicate electronics with, particularly not in a
> car...
> (At least not while the engine is running)
Ah yes, but I'm using a purpose designed adapter with +/-1100V spike supression :-) and an automotive rated ultra low dropout power regulator (needs headroom of just 0.2V).
> 2. The netBook can draw up to 1.5A at 15V, which would probably be closer > to 2A at 12V and 4A at 6V...
I've hooked my netBook up to my lab power supply. It wasn't fully discharged at the time and drew 1A which eventually fell to about 100mA as the charge completed (it was operating).
> A 15V/1.5A wall wart is cheaper than a 6V/5A one
I was suggesting 12V for car use, not 6.
> How many of those would have bought it if it took 3Hours or even 6hours
> to recharge?
My netBook seems to take less than an hour to charge, but I'll call it an hour. Dropping the voltage 15->12 should result in 1.25 hours to charge? Perhaps an extra step-up PSU is needed with, say, an 80% efficiency. That's still just 1.5hrs - a long way from your 3 or 6.
> Just listen to the step-up regulator on a S5/S5mx when you turn on the
> backlight.
Yes, but that's stepping up from 3V or less. Even had the netbook been designed with a two-cell Lion battery (to better facilitate 12V) rather
than the existing three-cell, that's still about 8V. It may not make that big a difference as doesn't the backlight run off about 50V anyway?
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Re: Everyone who talked about inverters...
I looked at these, but they start at $99 here in Oz (that's on special
too!). The 12V vehicle netbook adaptors are $77 (from Widget). Better still is the aforementioned vehicle adapter from ebay :-) that I've just won today, although it looks like it's going to be close to $70 anyway after freight. Still...
The purpose of this is for a trip I'm going on soon for about three weeks. I've just remembered there's going to be a 1900W petrol generator, but
we're only stopping long enough for it to come out at about 1 week intervals. I don't think I could stretch the netBook batteries for a week.
And anyway, regardless of all the good, logical, and reasonable arguments for a 15V power supply - it's still a right royal nuisance for vehicle use! :-) Pick the odd one out:
Digicam : 6V
MC218 : 6V
3mx : 9V
Battery charger: 12V
GPS : 12V
netBook : 15V
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To: Rolf, Re: 5mx photo album
For a 'colour 5mx' to be used as a photo album, the memory requirements for display would be just 640x240x2 for 16-bit colour, or 300K. However, most photos would actually display at 320x240 so you just need 150K. Of course, that's assuming you're not decompressing the entire picture on the off- chance you might want to quickly zoom in. That *would* use a lot of memory, but the smart program still would only keep the data actually needed for display and re-decompress on demand. Slower, yes, but *much* less memory
and certainly practical even for current 5mx memory capacity.
No hardware JPEG support should be necessary either. Most cameras already store thumbnail data either separately or *inside* the big JPEG. Using that thumbnail would probably be adequate given the small screen resolution.
This would eliminate the time needed to decompress the full-size photo.
Your reality check on the development costs of a PDA is a bit disheartening, though. There's nothing quite like reality to ruin a good dream!
--
Andrew Gregory,
<URL:http://www.scsoftware.com.au/family/andrew/>
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 09:21:58 +0000
From: "Rick Gillyon"
Subject: Laws / Instant-On
> Date: 31 Mar 2003 21:14:03 +0000
> From: Rolf Brunsting
> Subject: Re: As if you didn't know...
<<It isn't because there's a difference between pointing out that certain information can be found on the web and pointing out where that information is. The latter can be an offence in a number of countries when it concerns information that allows people to perpetrate a criminal act.>>
Which countries? It seems crazy to me that people could be prosecuted for pointing out the whereabouts of public information! Not that I would ever doubt what you say, Rolf... :)
In this case, nicB said it could be Googled - would stating what search engine could find it be criminal too?
> Date: 1 Apr 2003 19:36:12 +0000
> From: Owen Morgan
> Subject: Re: C700 Redux
>
>
> I seem to remember from somewhere that the majority of computers in the world do NOT run a M$ OS.
I'd be interested to know what they *do* run. Sure, there are an awful lot of servers out there running Unix and proprietary systems, but I've been working in IT for 14 years now, had hundreds of clients, and apart from a very few SG workstations for CAD they have all been running MS products on the desktop. I suspect the only way to make that statement true is to include a lot of other devices as "computers", e.g. those in cars etc.
> I'm running Win2k on my Toshiba and it has NEVER EVER booted in as little as 30 seconds
Agreed, no hope on any Windows version!
>I know that you can hibernate a laptop, but my experience (from Win95 and 98) is that if you don't reboot WindoZe at least once a day, it will crash regularly.
Hibernate and Standby (STR) have really come into their own with recent computers running XP. They are no longer as dodgy as they once were. Having said that, Hibernate still takes way too long for PDA use, and although STR is great on the Desktop (very nearly Instant-On, just a few seconds on my PC), it requires a constant power-drain to keep the information in RAM, so probably isn't advisable on a laptop for long periods. My laptop hibernates after 10 minutes on standby (though this is configurable).
Bye,
Rick http://www.gillyon.com/
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 11:34:59 +0000
From: U Hornstein
Subject: Re: Software for Record collection
Reference is made to the mail in the EPOC DIGEST V1 # 219 (6) : Marek Oswiecimski wrote at 2003 22:28:34 +0000 (> ):
> Owen Morgan asked [Digest #217]:
> "I don't want to have to type in all the information
> again (I did that when I ripped the files), so I need to
> be able to export the MP3 tags from MusicMatch (or
> something else on the PC) and import them to the Psion
> application."
> I believe, you should look for an export option to a
> sort of delimited text file -- or to a database format
> that can be converted with PsiWin/nConvert/2Convert.
> It's not so easy, though, to import data to multi-table
> PowerBase
Yes, that might be so. Once you have the data on the psion in some form, there is a way to do it manually without too much hassle, using the macro cocopapa: copy all fields of one record one by one in the source file, change to the destination PB file, paste field by field. Back to source, next record. ....
Or one could write a macro to do it.
BTW, there is a macro called QuickMacro by Julian Toler, which could help you as well: with it, record all key presses required for transferring one record, then run it with the built-in multiple mode for N (=number of records) times. A little slow, but nice to watch the psion doing all the work automagically ;-) (needs evtl. some hand programming for changing the apps)
--
With greetings from Germany
Ulrich Hornstein
sent by MC218 (EPOC palmtop)
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 13:40:12 +0000
From: "Sergio"
Subject: Pocketable USB hard disk
Hi Owen!
I know it's a little off-topic, but can you give me some more details about your pocketable USB hard disk?
I've just upgraded my Win98 laptop with a new 20 gb hd and have the old 5 gb to use...
When connected to a PC, does it need external power or does it use the usb connection?
Where did you buy it?
<<
The portable harddisk has proved very useful. I simply bought a USB harddisk enclosure (59 Euro) with room for a 2.5" laptop harddisk and installed an old 775Mb disk I had in my spares box.
>>
Thanks in advance and Ciao
Sergio Alisi
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 14:03:42 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: 7 In car?, Battery care,
Answer to: Tom Robertson
Re.: 7 In car? - Sure, look at ww.poduk.com, but it will set you back almost 200 pounds .... . Now if something would be available for up to 50 pounds I would probably buy it. Rolf actually used velco to stick his S7 to his dashboard, but you need a car with a flat dashboard for that.
Answer to: Tony Napier
Re. Battery care - I am not sure what is better, but I decided to keep my second battery for my S7 loaded in case I need more than 5 to 6 hours on battery usage. I alternate between them every month or so, leaving the other one fully loaded.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 16:12:17 +0000
From: Michael.Kennedy
Subject: Large CF Disks
Hi
I'm not a regular contributor, but more of a ghost reader, but I thought some of you might find this interesting...
Being a space freak and *nearly* taking the step from the film to digital world I thought I would purchase a larger CF card for my trusty 5mx, so I went looking and stumbled across SanDisk website, who claimed that their 1Gb (yes Gigabyte) card was compatible with my 5mx.
Well to cut a long story short I could not resist (<quick plug> I ordered the card from www.picstop at 13:30. It was in my letterbox at 10 am THE NEXT DAY! <end of plug>). Once the card had been verified as working I started to mess around with the cluster sizes.
The card performs with the following times, using diskbench 1.1. (Note if you've got a pc and it recognises the card as a removable drive and 2000 / XP you can format the card with different cluster sizes (format <drive>: /fs:fat /a:<size>) so you dont need Essential Disk Utilities.)
64K Clusters - 4.5s/Mb Write
32K Clusters - 8.2s/Mb Write
16K Clusters - 35.5s/Mb Write
(I was not too interested in the read times, just the write.)
Here's the But...
But...
Putting 87Mb of data back to the card used;
64K Clusters 217Mb used (130Mb wasted space)
32K Clusters 137Mb used (50Mb wasted space)
16K did not bother
So I suppose it is a toss up between space and speed. At the moment space is not an issue, so I'm looking for speed, but this will change... especially as I've got an mp3 player for my 5mx...
I was wondering if anyone else had been playing with different CF cards? In my experience different card manufactures have different qualities. Lexar and SanDisk being the best.
Bye for now
Michael
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 17:07:47 +0000
From: "Edgar Brazda MD, PhD"
Subject: Re: WLAn, silvester.org -- Printing via Ethernet?
> From: "Ronald Jimmink" Subject: NetBook with > Cisco 340 WiFi card and WEP?
> Has anyone tried (successfully) to use WEP with a radio LAN on the > NetBook - any additional software needed? I apologise if this has > been covered in the digest before - I only just joined.
Hi, I think WEP is available only for Lucent/Orinoco chipsets. I have "preSept" nB OS 1.58, and in ControPanel/Ethernet can choose device: "Lucent ....". If you choose this, the OPTIONS are much more extensive, not only SSID, but WEP (both 64 and 128 bit), peer-to-peer mode (if nB talks to an other device directly, like connecting 2 computers without hub/switch), power management (very useful, sends the card to sleep mode, avoids multicasts), even AP density for BSS/ESS, roaming (IMHO) and transmit rate (1-11mB/s) are adjustable. I can even use a separate program (netStatRf), which gives me information from the card.
But back to your letter:
1. SSID and WEP are for completely different tasks: only those users can connect to your access point, whose cards send the proper SSID to it. It prevents your neighbour entering into your LAN with his wlan enabled laptop, standing in your backyard. nB with SSID option CAN prevent it! If you need a better defense, turn to your access point. Some of them has a special feature, where you can put a list of MACs in its memory, and then the access point allows connection for wlan card with that unique MAC AND proper SSID. netStatRf can tell you the MAC of Lucent cards, with Cisco, hm, perhaps a PC laptop can read it. Someone else can give us advice here.
2. If your neighbour could not enter into your LAN, then he would try to eveasdrop your nB-AP communication. This is where WEP comes into the picture. It encrypts your message and decryts it on the AP side or vica-versa. Of course, it CAN be a real danger, but IMHO I do not think my heighbours are so techno minded, that they build an ariel, invest in deciphering software and record my transmissions. And do not forget that this is NOT entering your network, but "only" listening to transmission.
(Anyway if you have such neighbours, my advice: move out immediately :))
The other thing: my AP is in the attic, so only a few centimeters of tiles and some wood shadows it, and 20-50 meters from the building no detectable sign at all. By changing the radio channel you can change the available range. The up-to-1500-feet is the sweet dream category (or the Sahara exc. sandstorm)
SILVESTER.ORG
Unfortunately the great LAN/WLAN summary for nB, www.silvester.org, disappeared (or I misspelled something). I downloaded it, so if anybody needs it please e-mail me.
HOW TO PRINT VIA ETHERNET?
My great sadness is that I can not print via ethernet (HP hangs on the LAN, gets its IP from the DHCP server; nB is on an AP; e-mail, web run happily - so network side is OK; I can print via IR with the famous Johnson drivers - so driver side is OK, but I can not choose "via ethernet" in Print setup.)
Any workaround?
Edgar, Budapest
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 17:26:52 +0000
From: Jim Watson~Gove
Subject: Mailing Labels
Anyone out there know how to go from a Psion data file to mail labels using a Windows machine?
Up until now, I have simply copied the file, eliminated the lines not needed for labels (phone numbers, email address, notes, etc.), printed it out from the Psion and then used scissors and scotch (Scottish?) tape.
At the Arts Alliance, we are doing a mailing of around 300 so they want me to come up with something more efficient. One of the members said if I can get him a delineated file, email it to him, he can use a label program on his Mac.
I did a save to text, copied from the text file to an email and mailed the file to him last night. A small portion of the file appears thusly:
"Pat Austin","1309 9th St.
Port Townsend
WA 98368"
"Jason Gunby","Box 764
Port Townsend
WA 98368"
"Eileen Claire","P.O. Box 1415
Port Hadlock, WA 98339"
"Lisa Gilley",
A portion of his response to the file is thusly:
<<If you have something in your software under "save as" or "export" that will make a Tab-Delimited file, that's what I'm hoping for.>>
<<The other option that could work is a comma-delimited file, which is the same as above with commas to separate the address elements and a return to separate the people. What's causing the most trouble is the returns that show up in the address lines - there's no way for my software to know that it's not starting a new label.>>
<<If you can export as one long string of text that might work too - I do have an option for the software to look for zip codes and start a new label after that.>>
As you all know, I am limited to Export as Text, which comma delimits between fields in one record and then separates the records with a carriage return. I think I am losing the carriage return when I copy the file from the text file and move it into email (as in my example above).
Anyone successful with this task on the list?
TIA,
jim - port townsend
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 17:35:45 +0000
From: "Woody B"
Subject: More Battery and CF Questions
As A new owner of an MBook. I also have questions about proper battery care. With my 5/MX I would keep the mains plugged in as much as possible to save the internal batteries. I don't know how to handle the battery in the MBook, just charge when told the battery is low and run off the battery even when home with mains near by or ??? Is there a good website for care and feeding of the 7/netBook?
I previously asked if there is any advantage/disadvantage to getting a type I or type II adapter for the netBook E drive (for a second CF) but have not received an answer. The price seems to be double+ for the II ($8-18 range). Advice? Any know problems with certain brands of adapters?
I've read Martin's page on CF formatting for speed and max space and I do have some understanding of clusters and space, speed, from DOS days. I've order PartionMagic for my XP machine and I could use it to format the Psion CF cards, but is formatting a large CF card in Fat16 really stable for use in a Psion? -- Or should I just stay with CF cards no larger than 64MB and let the Psion format as Fat12?
Does the Psion only use one cluster size regardless of the CF card size? Martin's page indicated the Psion only uses a Fat12 cluster size of 64, but I may have misunderstood. I know the Psion doesn't ask me about cluster size when I format.
Directory/File structure question- On Martin's page it briefly talked about limiting the number of files and Directories in the Root Dir. That rang a bell from DOS days, I tried a Google search but didn't find what I was looking for, that is, information on how to build a proper "tree". Can anyone provide the info, or point to a good website? --I keep wondering if the problems with corrupt CF are due to the FAT selected, Dir/file structure or that CF cards when moved between Psions and PCs just mess-up often.
Thanks, WoodyB
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 18:47:32 +0000
From: Stephan Block
Subject: Re: New Psion - Screen Cable
In EPOC DIGEST V1 # 213 (6) , Rolf Brunsting wrote on 26 Mar 2003 21:24:18:
> Dear Wajira,
>
> << While I have not taken any Psions apart myself, the fact the
> motherboard need not be replaced (thankfully!) with the creen cable
> suggests that there is a connector at that end at the least >>
>
> The screen cable is soldered at both ends.
Well, that depends whether you consider the ends of the cable to be on the broad or on the narrow sides :-)
The screen cable of my 5mx Pro is not soldered to the mother board, there is indeed a plug, as well as for the keyboard cable. (But maybe the Pro series is different in this respect?)
Stephan (catching up with the digest)
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Date: 2 Apr 2003 21:15:58 +0000
From: Rolf Brunsting
Subject: Re: C700 Redux
Dear Koi Hin,
<< You might not know, but people on this list certainly are using something other than MS for their PDAs and handheld computing needs and I suspect given a choice for their PDAs, they would much rather be using a non-MS platform >>
One of our fellow Digest subscribers is moving from an EPOC based Psion to a Pocket PC based Dell Axim. One of my colleagues replaced his Revo by a Compaq iPaq. This to illustrate that you're taking a risk when you use the equipment people currently own as a basis for saying what they'll be using in future. People do change - their work and/or work patterns change - personal interests and activities change. Things that were important in a handheld computer are replaced by other items while new items of importance are added to the list.
<< As I recalled we are talking about Handheld PCs/PDAs here, not laptops or desktops >>
A comparison is made between the Sharp C700 handheld computer and the small Sony C1VN laptop computer. One of the reasons for buying the Sony rather than the Sharp is the application and file compatibility Jim talked about.
<< Again, while Peter was preaching to the choir, you are obviously talking to the wrong crowd, a lot of people on this list have been using their Psions very well despite not having 100% compatibility with MS products ... >>
The reason why the EPOC Digest is 770+ members strong rather than 7,700+ could very well be that we're part of a minority group which doesn't need a high level of compatibility with Microsoft products.
<< I suspect they would take the Symbian OS any day over 100% MS compatibility if it means using MS OSes >>
Count me out - I'm not interested in this kind of operating system snobbishness. When I bought my first PDA, a Psion Series 3a, I didn't even know which operating system it was using. Nor the name of the operating system of the Sharp Zaurus that lost the final competition for my money against the 3a. It's later that I learned that the Series 3a ran EPOC and the Zaurus Synergy. And the reason why I stayed with Psion equipment is that Psion succeeded to meet my requirements through the years.
--
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
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Date: 3 Apr 2003 01:50:03 +0000
From: Mark DEPPE
Subject: Re: Re: Powering ntBook in car... # 218 (6)
"Mike Fellhauer" <<<Get an inverter for your vehicle.>>> Or for £27 POD sell a good in car charger for the netbook, straight in the cigarette lighter and your off, or rather on, noworries about 240 or 110 or whatever. Not sure if this is an "inverter" or not, but it works :-)
Kind regards
Mark
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Date: 3 Apr 2003 02:27:44 +0000
From: Keith Giles
Subject: Malaysian netBook
I just received my Malaysian netBook. It had a sticker showing it had been opened by the US Customs, but no additional charges.
I have to learn the keyboard arrangement which is somewhat different from my 5ive, 5mx, and Mako. I wonder why they switched the Fn and Menu keys? A bit awkward for someone used to the small Psions.
It came with the 220-240V power adapter. That voltage plus the non-US plug makes it useless for me. I bought a Toshiba laptop adapter on eBay. When it gets here, I'll switch the Toshiba plug for the netBook plug. Until then, I'm using it sparingly because I don't want to let the battery run down.
The only thing I can find wrong is that what I think was a Psion logo between the On/Off switch and stylus eject button is missing. I can see 2 holes, a round one with a screw and a rectangular one which appears to be empty. I don't suppose that's any big deal. Perhaps I'll print up something on a label, cut to the elongated oval shape, and stick it there. I'm open to suggestions as to what to put there. Maybe a graphic of one of my bicycles. :-)
I remember reading somewhere about getting the standard Epoc wallpaper into the netBook. I copied the file from my 5mx's Z drive and pasted it into a Wallpaper folder I created on the netBook's D drive. When I go into Tools/Preferences/Wallpaper, I can see the file name, but when selected, nothing appears. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
Happy Cycling,
Keith
Sunnyvale, CA
http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/
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