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Epoc Digest Sun, 08 Jun 2003 Volume 01 : Number 275

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In today's Epoc Digest 15 messages:

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- Epoc News 8th June 2003

- Re: Extras

- Re: Spam (Windows)

- Re: Opera & Web

- Re: Wi-Fi

- Re: Whole digests

- Re: Subject: Little Sense # 274 (6)

- Web app lost.

- Redifining silkscreen buttons.

- How to download .sis files with EPOC Web browser [Re: digest # 274]

- netBook pro thread at psionplace [Re: digest # 274]

- Web above Opera, WHOLE DIGESTS, Wifi & ADSL

- Re: How to execute 'Extras' (ROM application)

- Monopoly Colour Patch

- iPASS

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 11:36:19 +0000

From: Epoc Digest

Subject: Epoc News 8th June 2003

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 17:34:24 +0000

From: Marcus von Cube

Subject: Re: Extras

Ulrich,

>Who knows how I can execute the ROM program "Extras" (The one which shows all the installed applications after a tip on the original Extras button)? I searched for the likely name without sucess. I want to assign this command to one of extrabar's 40 apps.

The Extra bar function is built into one of the special servers started by EPOC when the system is initialized. I was playing around with EPOC internals for EpocUtil, the lib that comes with SmtpAuth. There I found some info about internal programs which do not apear on the tasklist

and cannot be started seperately. Even if you where able to start the program (should be something like EIKSRV.EXE), it will not open the Extras bar because the program actively waits

for the tap.

Marcus

http://www.mvcsys.de

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 18:20:12 +0000

From: Edward Hasbrouck

Subject: Re: Spam (Windows)

As administrator of some other lists, I find the verification systems like "spamarrest" a major nuisance.

*If* your Psion is a mobile companion to a desktop machine, you can receive incoming email on your desktop machine, filter it, and forward only email that passes the filters as "not spam" to a separate address you access on your Psion. (BTW, a good free non-commercial e-mail provider that allows multiple addresses for uses like this, doesn't add advertisements to incoming or outgoing messages, and supports IMAP as well as POP is <http://altern.org>. The Web interface is in French.)

Two freeware filtering programs that work for me on Windows are SpamWeasel <http://www.mailgate.com/products/spamweas/sw_feat.asp> and K9

<http://keir.net/k9.html>. Both take some time to "train" to recognize which of your mail is spam and which is good. K9 is easier to train: you mark which messages are good and which are spam, and it scores messages based on those patterns. After a couple of weeks I get about 90% of spam identified, with almost no good mail mis-identified as spam. But K9 just marks the mail as spam: you have to use a filter on your email client to delete messages marked as spam by K9. SpamWeasel is harder to set up: you have to define scoring rules. But is message handling is better, and it can delete spam automatically, before it even gets to your email client,

so you don't need to set up any filtering in the client.

I know of no spam filter for Psion. (It would probably be easiest for someone knowledgable to adapt an exisitng Java program.) Neither EPOC Mail nor XJMail supports any sort of filtering at all. I guess most people

only get small volumes of mail on their Psions, and sort it manually.

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Edward Hasbrouck

<http://hasbrouck.org>

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 18:40:14 +0000

From: Michael Degn

Subject: Re: Opera & Web

Answer to Astrid Stappenbeck

> On the other hand: with web I never managed to download a sis-file (maybe I did something wrong - all I get is a display of the code). Then there is the security issue where web has none... If someone knows how to download sis-files with web, please post. <

Dear Astrid,

That's very easy, albeit it's not that obvious. You'll have to click on the sis-file and wait for the code to display - then you must save the page with the menu command File - More - Save as <Shift+Ctrl+S> and you can now save the file anywhere with any name.

Best regards,

Michael Degn

Esbjerg, Denmark

www.degn.esenet.dk

www.pdanmark.dk

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 18:55:29 +0000

From: Edward Hasbrouck

Subject: Re: Wi-Fi

Kevin Thorne wrote:

> How easy and how much does it cost to set up a Wi-Fi connection on a > netBook?

See the FAQ at:

http://www.silvester.org.uk/faqNetworks.htm

Wi-Fi requires a Wi-Fi PCMCIA card compatible with the netBook (a big issue; there's a compatibility guide in the FAQ) and a Wi-Fi access point (any access point should work). In the USA, Wi-Fi access points start at about US$75. Sitashop.com in Malaysia has netBook-compatible Wi-Fi PCMCIA cards for US$45 (plus shipping from Malaysia, plus possible import duty).

You might find similar or better prices from eBay or local discounters. Just be sure the PCMCIA card is compatible, or will be returnable if not.

The Wi-fi access point needs to be connected to the Internet somehow. If you have a cable modem, DSL, or already have a network connection to the Internet, you just plug the access point into the Ethenet port. If you use a dial-up connection, you would need to get an access point that combines a router with a serial port, plus an external modem.

It should be pretty easy: there's very little setup. You might want to configure the setup for some additional security, but it will probably work quite literally as is, "out of the box", once you plug everything in.

If you have a cable modem or DSL, or want to be able to use the increasing number of Wi-Fi hot spots at Starbucks, etc. for high-speed Internet

access when you travel, Wi-Fi is easily worth the price.

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 18:58:51 +0000

From: Michael Degn

Subject: Re: Whole digests

Answer to Kevin Thorne

> WHOLE DIGESTS

I've noticed we are no longer "treated" to people sending in the whole of a previous Digest anymore. Is this because everyone is now very well behaved or are they still being sent but are now stripped out by the moderators before the Digest is sent out? <

Dear Kevin,

It would be very nice if I could tell you that everyone is very well behaved, but I'm afraid I can't. Every now and then the whole of a previous Digest is included in an answer. Fortunately Rolf's software which we use for handling the Digest can spot this and spam messages too. Only the relevant part is now included in the Digest and the subscriber gets a reminder from us.

To ensure no HTML or other garbage get into the final Digest we do a manual reading (I do, don't know how the other do) before the Digest is actually sent out.

The morale of the story: Things are as they always were. Only because there are people controlling the Digest you'll never see all the crap.

Best regards,

Michael Degn

Esbjerg, Denmark

www.degn.esenet.dk

www.pdanmark.dk

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 19:23:06 +0000

From: Mark Deppe

Subject: Re: Subject: Little Sense # 274 (6)

Timothy H.D. Williams <<<How on earth does LS manage to compact the info down to 2 mb when the same info in TR is over ten mb?>>>

No Idea, here is his email, very helpful fellow (registered it recently and find I use it all the time) though not developing it or working with psions anymore :-(

Anthony Ellis: LittleSense

Kind regards

Mark

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 19:55:02 +0000

From: Peter McCafferty

Subject: Web app lost.

Evening all,

Would some kind soul be able to email me a copy of Web. I'd lost the main app when copying across the app files from C drive to D drive. I pressed Ctrl C twice, thus overwriting the copy cache. (Didn't have it backed up either, doh)!

Many thanks.

Peter

Peter McCafferty, Peter Julian & Associates, Architects

6-8 Tiverton Street, London, SE1 6NZ, UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 20 72 34 01 12

Fax: +44 (0) 87 00 55 78 12

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 20:35:50 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Redifining silkscreen buttons.

Could someone please remind me which file I need to edit to change which applications are on which silkscreen buttons? I never use the Phone application on my Mako, so I'd like to put PhoneMan on that button.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Meditation is not what you think.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-953°27.22'N 6°09.05'W

Malahide, Ireland

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 7 Jun 2003 23:07:38 +0000

From: trzygrosze

Subject: How to download .sis files with EPOC Web browser [Re: digest # 274]

On 6 Jun 2003 Astrid Stappenbeck asked:

"[...] with web I never managed to download a sis-file (maybe I did something wrong - all I get is a display of the code).

[...]

If someone knows how to download sis-files with web, please

post."

Hi,

presumably the best way is to select the link to the .sis file, and to press Shift+Ctrl+D ["Save link as" option from the "File" -> "More" menu]. With Web you can select a link without opening it -- with a single pen click (or by pressing Tab/Shift+Tab until the chosen link is selected).

If the .sis file is already displayed by Web as code (that is, if you had attempted to "open" the link), you can try Shift+Ctrl+S ["Save as" option from the "File" -> "More" menu]. (Perhaps, you can even try to select the whole content of such "page" (Shift+A), copy it to the clipboard (Ctrl+C), and paste to a text file created with Symbian Editor.)

Whichever way you choose, make sure the sis file saved on your Psion is correctly named (please, add .sis suffix if necessary).

Regards

Marek Oswiecimski

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 00:00:04 +0000

From: trzygrosze

Subject: netBook pro thread at psionplace [Re: digest # 274]

On 6 Jun 2003 Mark Deppe wrote:

"Are people here aware of the new psionplace netbook pro petition http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=19317

and

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18259

Some digestees are connected to Internet via GSM (like Owen) -- or another slow/expensive solution. I believe, they may prefer to download a printable version of those threads, more compact and easier to read on a Psion.

The netBook Pro story (119kB on a single page) is located at:

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/printthread.php?s=45cb2050937b929721a32b5f0410 9b31&threadid=18259&perpage=100

And the proposed petition to Psion Teklogix (35 kB) can be found at:

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=19317&perpage=100

Best wishes

Marek Oswiecimski

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 01:03:58 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Web above Opera, WHOLE DIGESTS, Wifi & ADSL

Answer to: Trygve Henriksen & Philip S. Adkins Potter

Re.: Web above Opera - Yes, I can also enter my Barclays Bank program which I cannot do with Web, so 2:1 <G>. i also understand on can upgrade free to v. 5.14 (but how do you do that ?), but as you said it leaks memory. Can you elaborate how you recover the memory ? Does it come back automatically when closing Opera or do you have to delete the cache each time ?

And in answer to Chris Handley, Does Ctrl-Shit-l works in v. 3.62 as well ? And what is Grand Rapid ?

Answer to: Kevin Thorne

Re. WHOLE DIGESTS - From my experience as operator indeed less people send in the whole digest with their answers. But you are right, if it happens in general the operator will delete it and inform the sender with a kind request not to repeat it.

Two further questions :

1/ What is Wifi ?

2/ Will a S7 work with and ADSL line at home the same as a normal modem when using MochaPPP ?

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 08:41:54 +0000

From: Chris S Handley

Subject: Re: How to execute 'Extras' (ROM application)

U Hornstein wrote:

> Who knows how I can execute the ROM program "Extras" (The one

> which shows all the installed applications after a tip on

> the original Extras button)? I searched for the likely name

> without sucess. I want to assign this command to one of

> extrabar's 40 apps.

The "ROM program" you are looking for is not a stand-alone program, but built into System. So what you want to do is not possible.

However, from what I recall of Extrabars, there is an option to let Ctrl+tap of the Extras icon show the original Extras. So I think you've been trying to make things too complicated!

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Chris Handley

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 09:07:57 +0000

From: martin

Subject: Monopoly Colour Patch

Hi All,

I'm pleased to be able to say that the promised colour patch for Psion Monopoly is now available on my website: www.pscience5.net . :¬) Thanks largely to the help of Lewis Barton who coloured at least half of the bitmaps and wrote much of the explanatory text! Overview blurb from the file reads as follow:-

"This colour patch for Steve Godfrey's version of Monopoly for the EPOC platform is NOT his own (much fabled) patch. His patch apparently upgraded Monopoly to play in colour and to use all the available screen on a Series 7 / netBook but he was allegedly prohibited by Psion from publishing it. Instead, this patch only colours (most) of the program and does nothing in terms of changing the screen area it plays in (since that information is buried inside the program itself). However, the colourisation of the game DOES make the game more playable on the colour EPOC machines. For further details..."

For further details, download the file! ;¬)

Best regards,

Martin Guthrie

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www.pscience5.net

www.freepoc.org

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Date: 8 Jun 2003 10:29:45 +0000

From: Jon Welford

Subject: iPASS

Hi ,

My brother from Aus was hoping to use his Mbook for business in UK, France and Italy. To that end he subscribed to global roaming with his ISP, Ozemail. However we cannot find a way to use it as Ipass ( the dialler)cannot be used with the psion. There was a version developed by Psion nz but is no longer available unless anyone on the list has it? Short of setting up ISP's in each country is there a better way?

I am now on broadband and using the buffalo WiFi card connected to an Actiontec gateway which was a doddle to set up and brilliant to use.

Has annyone succeeded in logging on to Abbey Nat Internet banking using 5.14? Both my expanded 7 and Malaybook crashout on sending the log-in?