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Epoc Digest Mon, 30 Jun 2003 Volume 01 : Number 293

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In today's Epoc Digest 17 messages:

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- Message to: david.t.powell

- CfCard/Revo

- symbian benelux nB pro thread translated into english

- Re : Dictionaries in TR

- Chargers...

- Re: CF (to Darryl)

- Help with Gprs 5mx and Me45

- Travel in US, GPS connection, information request,

- Monopoly

- OS 158 / Opera

- RE: Information Request - EPOC DIGEST V1 # 292 (8)

- advent of Itamar

- RE: nB PRO petition, Benulux link

- RE: Adaptor for USA

- GPS & RoutePlanner

- Compact Flash

- Dictionaries in TR via BitTorrent

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 00:12:41 +0000

From: Epoc Digest

Subject: Message to: david.t.powell

Dear David,

Unfortunately after a week of being temporary unsubscribed the digest continues to come back from your email address. Accordingly we had no other option but to unsubscribe you. Hopefully you will pick up the digest from the website and read this message. Please resubscribe after solving the problem or with another email address.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 12:57:54 +0000

From: Timothy H.D. Williams

Subject: CfCard/Revo

On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 06:03 AM, DUFAY wrote:

> My procedure is to use PsiWin to backup the C drives; then put the CF > cards into a card reader

Is it possible to connect a CF card reader to a Revo?

If your feet smell and your nose runs, you were built upside down.

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 14:05:24 +0000

From: Gianluca Gallino

Subject: symbian benelux nB pro thread translated into english

Hello everybody!

Our dutch friend Max, who is going to be a new subscriber of the digest from today on - provided a translation in English of the thread found at symbian.info (symbian benelux forum):

http://www.symbian.info/forums/showthread.php?s=c2f76d4cfc07e1cd14ae8b926b91f7ef&threadid=4929

here is the english version:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard van Stappershoef:

I just read my emails and read this very alarming mail:

Psion users petition for Symbian-powered NetBook

see: www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?11718654

Please don't let it be true!

Richard

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Harmsen (The Chairman of the Benelux Symbian Organisation):

Supplementary info :

Psion Teklogix ( thus not Psion! ) wish to offer within the new generation Netbooks

Windows CE instead of Epoc 5.

The motive is that the Netbook as Hardware is still one very popular product, but that

ER5 is not very interesting for producers of drivers and applications.

For all add-ons like a Bluetooth CF Cards Teklogix has to write the drivers themselves.

The same for GPRS cards , new Wifi PC cards etc.

Whilst the drivers for Windows CE are mostly available.

Psion Teklogix manufactures hardware, and is NOT a software company.

For them it's core bussiness to sell devices.

I've seen the device, and I have to admit that I was very impressed.

From within the developersword there is still a big need for OPL development, where

the netBook is lord and master. Especially when OPL is open-sourced for Symbian

OS7.x.

The new-fashioned Netbooks will not be able to load Epoc in ROM anymore, the

petition is aiming at this and this will be a small adaption to the system.

I have understood that a request for this modification was filed some months ago, and

that it's still within motives.

Waiting for their descision is all we can do

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zegert van Eijk:

The petition tries to achieve that the new netBook will run Symbian OS as an option.

What i've noticed is that (while browsing from forum to forum) a lot of users would be

very content if the current netBook stays existent, this is related to possible reparations

and availability of spare products.

Looking at the prices for netPads, it is plausible that the new netBook will be too

expensive for a lot of people, especially normal consumers. This was the case when the

normal netBook came on the market.

Meanwhile there is more traffic of used machines and is the malaybook owing the prize

very pleasing too( and this pushes the 2nd hand prices).

I'm very curious too on how things will progress and wait for the descisions that will be made.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Harmsen:

Hello Zegert,

Research has proven that a lot of people are charmed by the hardware design and that EPOC ER5 and the embedded applications are accepted pretty good too, but that the bottleneck is the fact that the availability of drivers for add-on products is just very bad (in my opinion that's just an understatement. I've had to wait for years to get the non-alpha drivers for the LAN-Card they advised.) Everything had to be developed from scratch. This is too much work for a relatively small usergroup.

The costs would be sky high and the sales would be relativly small.

Personally I think PT does a really smart move with this one. In any case (before you ask :) ): ER6 or ER7 will not be ported to the netBook. Anticipating on another question: No, Windows CE cannot run on existing netBooks. The CE netBooks get (partly) different hardware under the hood. :(

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zegert van Eijk:

Hello Robert,

Thanks for your reaction and to your ease of mind: Those 2 questions where not on my mind (anymore), because I had the anwers before. Still it's good that it got mentioned here. Besides this all it depends stronly on what you expect from such a device. I'm using it as a stand-alone system with a separate modem connection for email. I'm not

waiting for 'drivers', but when you need to deploy such a device into a network it will be a different story.

In short: with regards to hard and software I'm still able to use the current(old) version for years without me missing something (hence my collection of psion devices) but I think that's not the case for everyone.

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Thanks again to Max for his precious work

It takes a really short time to undersign the petition, so those who may have not endorsed yet could easily do so by linking to http://www.petitiononline.com/nbookpro/petition.html

cheers

Gianluca Gallino a.k.a. Cangiante

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 15:02:47 +0000

From: Jack

Subject: Re : Dictionaries in TR

RTo : Timothy H.D. Williams ,Subject: Dictionaries in TR via BitTorrent

>>>./...Encarta Encyclopaedia

Grollier Encyclopaedia

Websters Encyclopaedia

Movie Encyclopaedia

Tolkein Encyclopaedia

Mythas and Legends Encyclopaedia

Star Wars Encyclopaedia

Computing Encyclopaedia

Oxford English Dictionary

Rogets Dictionary

Unfortunately, once I am connected to the site via BitTorrent for MacOS, nothing downloads. Is my Mac firewall preventing a connection?

Why is there no download?<<<<<<

Re : Here (most of them and many others:-) :

http://www.memoware.com/?start=125&screen=search_results&p=category^!Language~! Jack

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 15:49:32 +0000

From: ian chapple

Subject: Chargers...

Alan wrote:

>> My Psion 7 came with a PSU that had Psion moulded in the plastic and is 110-240. My David [Lowe] supplied nB came with a Sunpower PSU.

My guess is that original Psion PSUs are all universal, whereas David's where bought elsewhere as the nBs did not have a PSU when obtained by David. <<

My 3 year-old Dutch-bought Psion 7 has exactly the same Sunpower PSU that came with my David Lowe netbook (apart from the moulded plug, of course!)

Cheers, Ian.

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 16:33:24 +0000

From: Edgar Brazda MD, PhD

Subject: Re: CF (to Darryl)

Hi,

After having used a 256MB Lexar for a year, I bought a 1GB Microdrive half year ago. It worked well with nB with one exception: reading the full directory tree took more than 30 seconds. (Otherwise it is really fast - and biiiiiiiiig.) When I saw, that Psiwin (via nB) could read the tree in seconds, and EPOC system screen was acceptably fast, I realised there had to be a bug in the "reading full directory tree" routine which is widely used in all "open" and "save as.." functions.

When I bought my beautiful Canon D60 2 weeks ago, I got a Toshiba 512MB CF as a promo present. I swapped it with the Microdrive and the Toshiba CF runs in the Psion very well. Full directory tree read in 9 sec (I checked it with a stopper watch), read-write times are short (but I was satisfied with MD in this respect either.)

The camera runs the MD pretty fast, too. And I have a 350 pictures capacity on a single storage device, with 3072X2048 pixel resolution!

The moral? In my experience not the device, but the EPOC sw routines determined the usability of the card. I would not suggest to buy a CF bigger than 512MB.

Edgar, Budapest

PS My CF -according to Toshiba website- can read 6,5MB/sec and write 3,2MB/sec. I do not know if it is 24x or 40x.

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Date: 29 Jun 2003 23:44:07 +0000

From: Robert Bell

Subject: Help with Gprs 5mx and Me45

i would appreciate any advice setting up the 5mx, Seimens me45 &gprs with the orange network. i really am at a loss wot to do, as i have tried all settings and still not getting any where!

It keeps crashing! with a kern 3 error with opera or

i am getting a "programme closed etelserver, Reason code USER, Reason number 23, error then a "problem connecting to remote mail box" error, "server has closed" with the email programme.

Does anyone know why?

I have the mobile connectivity patch installed

activated the gprs settings on the phone and set to orangeinternet. I can supply more settings if required, but it seems to me to be an error in the psion as it keeps crashing! i have reset it 100's of times. do i require more software to communicate vie gprs?

Sorry if this has come up before!

Rob

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 00:12:46 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Travel in US, GPS connection, information request,

Answer to: Hoffman, Susan

Re.: Travel in US - I am not a "Godfather of the digest", far from it. I was only the originator who picked it up after the ups5 digest disappeared. I will be in the USA from 13/7 (7/13 for you) until 24/7 (7/24) and visit New York and Washington DC, while spending the Friday until Sunday with friends in the mountains around N.Y. Don't tell me the weather will not improve .... <G>. We were warned about the possible heat and humity in July, but our youngest will be away for a month with a youth movement trip so we had to travel in this period. We'll manage somehow.

Answer to: Alan Morris

Re. GPS connection - Maybe my technical explanation was not 100% accurate but I am pretty sure that you cannot use two different programs with the GPS connection. Some time ago someone from Belgium tried to connect two programs to allow a speed camera warning appear while using Route- or Streetplanner and did not succeed, even after extensive studying of all the software programming.

Answer to: D.D.White

Re. information request - I use a Psion Gold modem card and my init string for the fax is empty.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 00:12:52 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Monopoly

Finally got around to playing a game of Monopoly in the airplane. I found however that I cannot read neither the information on the deeds nor the information of deals proposed. Is there any way I can enlarge the text ?

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 00:40:42 +0000

From: Manuel Campos Galvan

Subject: OS 158 / Opera

I just received my repaired netbook from Teklogix with a new keyboard. However, when I reloaded the OS and my backup, Opera starts in "unregistered" mode granting me 30 days to sample the software. Mmm. Looks as if I placed an old pre 158 backup, but it seems unlikely. Anybody had seen this behavior before?

Best Regards,

Manuel

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 01:00:06 +0000

From: David Steer $Plus$

Subject: RE: Information Request - EPOC DIGEST V1 # 292 (8)

D.D.White,

My settings for Psion Dacom Modem are - Init. (Reset) string "AT&F", Data Init. string and Fax init. string are both blank. If you are sending from e-mail, you should ensure that the account settings there are for a fax speed between 2400 and 14,400. With these settings I have no problems.

Regards

David

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 02:31:59 +0000

From: Maria Jette

Subject: advent of Itamar

I would like to second Susan's welcome to the USA, Itamar! I'm in Minneapolis until late August, then will head to the central coast of California for a couple of weeks, back home for mid-August, and then to Woodstock NY for a brief job (this is the music festival time of year for musicians... for everyone, I guess, but for us, it's employment;-)).

Where will you be, and when? My 5 Classic awaits your august presence!

Maria in Minneapolis

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 06:39:23 +0000

From: Victor Marchand

Subject: RE: nB PRO petition, Benulux link

http://www.symbian.info/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4929

If you translate the mentioned link it says something like:

- there´s gonna be a new netbook

- with windows CE

- and no Epoc or Symbian.

Also the chairman of the Benelux Symbian user group comments on it. He has

seen the machine and was impressed by it.

He explains that Teklogix is a HW company and no-one can deliver (?) drivers

for modern things like GPRS and Wi-Fi.

No news on this site compared to what we already know.

Victor

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 09:46:34 +0000

From: Daniele Squarci

Subject: RE: Adaptor for USA

Itamar Engelsman wrote:

>> From the last digest I understand that with my mains adaptor being 200-240 V. I will need an adaptor in the USA after all. Has anyone got a spare mains adaptor for the S7 with 100 - 240 V. for sale ?<<

Itamar, My Malaybook came with the same 200-240V Sunpower mains adaptor as you have. This is no good for charging in the US. I got a 100-240V original Psion adaptor from www.expansys.co.uk for the times when I travel to the US. But it took them three times to get it right - the first time they sent me another Sunpower adaptor, the second time I got a Psion adaptor, but this one didn't work! If you buy from them, make sure they check before they send to you

You'll also need a plug adaptor to convert the three pin UK plug to the two pin US plug - you can get this at an airport shop.

Ciao

Daniele Squarci - Italy

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 12:47:38 +0000

From: KL

Subject: GPS & RoutePlanner

Folks,

I have made another experience with RoutePlanner. When the GPS is switched on, the travel time is calculated much too short. Anyone else with this experience?

May be, we should start collecting these things and sent them in to TomTom to make them aware that there is still a user community. It looks as if they start forgetting the Epoc folks.

Karsten

Schkopau

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 15:12:45 +0000

From: Toni Cabot

Subject: Compact Flash

Very interesting submission. I purchased a Lexar 256MB 40X Compact Flash a

few weeks ago from Amazon.com for $90, including shipping (to

Massachusetts). I purchased this primarily for my digital camera where my

old card, a 12X Lexar would take 20 seconds or so to save a 5 MB picture.

However, since my home computer has no USB port I use the netBook to

transfer pictures. This is a long process, I think it takes more than a

minute per megabyte, but I transfer cards in and out of the E drive, using a

carrier, and I haven't had any recognition problems. I haven't checked the

time the 40X would take in the netBook to "Browse folders"; it takes about 5

seconds with the 12X Lexar card.

The C drive is backed up to the E drive and I backup the D and E cards using

my computer at work which has USB and have not had any problems so far.

However, I did have problems with corrupt files when I tried to write to the

card using the USB reader. This was some time ago and I now do all my

writing with the card in the Psion via the serial port.

Tony Cabot

*****Original Message*****

Date: 28 Jun 2003 03:43:10 +0100

From: Darryl Kempster

Subject: Compact Flash

Just seen a 40x speed 1GB Compact Flash card by PQI for sale on ebay for

£133 buy it now price. However found this from a previous posting :-

"The CF card standard defines some parameters, a long with the permitted

tolerances. I think, that brands such as Dane Elek or PQI use the complete

tolerance band width, whereas Sandisk and Lexar stay as close to the

specified value as possible. Camera's are also designed according to the CF

card standard, so they don't mind the tolerances. Here comes the annoying

part: Psion claims that its devices are designed according to the standard,

but this is not true! Psions can deal with Sandisk, but not with Dane Elek,

because they cannot stand the wide tolerance definitions of the CF standard!

This also shows why both DE cards show different (but still annoying)

behaviour on my 5mx. The PQI card shows it in a different way: it's

annoyingly slow!"

Anyone care to comment? I have a netBook so wonder if this 'problem' was

solved by Psion or if they kept repeating their "

<<SNIP>>

*****

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Date: 30 Jun 2003 15:29:41 +0000

From: Toni Cabot

Subject: Dictionaries in TR via BitTorrent

Went to the site, found that they are all included in one file of 101 MB! How's that for a Psion/cell phone download? Sorry, I can't answer your question about Apple.

Tony Cabot

*****Original Message*****

Date: 28 Jun 2003 22:30:39 +0100

From: Timothy H.D. Williams

Subject: Dictionaries in TR via BitTorrent

>From the following site,

http://www.bytemonsoon.com/details.php?id=3038

you can download via BitTottent various TR encyclopaedias:

Encarta Encyclopaedia

Grollier Encyclopaedia

Websters Encyclopaedia

Movie Encyclopaedia

Tolkein Encyclopaedia

Mythas and Legends Encyclopaedia

Star Wars Encyclopaedia

Computing Encyclopaedia

Oxford English Dictionary

Rogets Dictionary

Unfortunately, once I am connected to the site via BitTorrent for MacOS, nothing downloads. Is my Mac firewall preventing a connection?