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Epoc Digest Mon, 16 Feb 2004 Volume 01 : Number 449
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In today's Epoc Digest 20 messages:
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- Ex-Shareware List / Time Logging / CronTab
- Backups
- Re: SymbianOS and Epoc32 malware compatability
- Re: Epoc Digest no. 444
- Re: Psion's business
- Re: Writing macros
- Re: adapters, 5MX for sale,
- Re: Psion's Symbian sale
- Re: netBook - CE only?
- Scandinavian characters again
- Re: Revo won't switch on
- Re: inserting carriage returns
- Spanish
- Dana for 5mx
- Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
- Thought for the day
- Re: Euro-sign on 5 classic
- EPOC Sync for ER3
- CronTab fix, language files, Linux Portables from Psion, Writing macros,
- Broken REVO hinge
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 15:25:47 +0000
From: Andy Hayes
Subject: Ex-Shareware List / Time Logging / CronTab
Hi All
Astrid offered EBook and PhonemanPro to my list, but I couldn't see much reason in such a database. And went on to ask what is the difference between a shareware/ commercial program that has become freeware and an app that has been freeware all the time? Then mentioned that it would be more interesting to have a list of applications that have (almost) vanished and a way to resurrect them or the info that that was it so you don't have to google for ages...
And then went on to ask if anyone an idea where to find the language files for Ottfried Cheong's freeware DIC ?
Regarding the latter, A Google search "Ottfried Cheong epoc" found one
item - http://www.mitsystems.hu/letoltes/epoc_freeware.html I am afraid that it will need translating but there is a DIC in there 3/4 of the way down the page. Whether this will lead you to what you want in the end I don't know, but it may be a step further along the path to enlightenment!
Thanks for the two offers for my list. I looked up the addresses easily enough, thank you.
Perhaps my list will be more important to you when you need something from it. I am compiling it purely because there may be people on this list that looked at applications in the past and thought that they were really nice, but just couldn't justify the money at the time. Freeware that has always been freeware seems less interesting to me than apps that used to have a price, that are now free, mainly because of the five I have listed now, two I have previously registered.
Thanks for the advice on using Sheet to log my hours Itamar, but I would something a little nicer looking and more configurable, where it was easy to enter all of the details together and just extract what I need. In the end there is a long winded solution that involves exporting a filtered group from Powerbase to a csv file and then using nConvert to convert it to a Sheet file so that calculations can take place. Its better than what I had, but far from perfect.
I have just installed the CronTab fix on my netBook and it works brilliantly. Thanks Chris!
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 15:41:45 +0000
From: ian chapple
Subject: Backups
Owen,
>> > You can see the same
> problem if you have a backup of c: on a removable > CF card; if you re-insert this card, older
> versions of apps in d:\system\apps (or
> e:\system\apps) may run in preference to the newer > version in c:\system\apps.
No, they shouldn't, because when there are identical files present on more than one drive, the one on C takes precedence over any files on D, E or Z. That's why the OS can be patched by putting a fixed version of a file that exists on the the Z drive on C, D or E.<<
This is not entirely true. I use Chris' FastBackup, and used to back up to the root of a CF card in a PC card adapter, which I removed afterwards. After installing the newest version of FastBackup, I couldn't work our why sometimes the old version was being used instead of the newer version; this was because FastBackup had been backed up to E:\system\apps. Obviously, sometimes, but not always, an app located on D: or E: can be run instead of a newer version on C:. The problem was solved by moving my backup to E:\backup\....
Cheers, Ian.
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 18:37:22 +0000
From: Euan Mee
Subject: Re: SymbianOS and Epoc32 malware compatability
On 9 Feb 2004, at 5:01, Epoc Digest wrote:
> The OS kernel in ER5, ER6 and ER7 is *almost identical* - the change of name from EPOC > to Symbian cannot remove this fact.
The very big difference between Epoc32, and SymbianOS (6, 7 and
6.1) is the use of nicode in place of ASCII.
Although this cannot affect self-contained executables that deal
directly with the hardware without the OS's intermediation (these
are only interested in the CPU's machine language), pretty much
all EPoc and Symbian code relies on using aspects of the
operating system.
Unicode makes a very significant bridge for malware to cross
unadapted, in either direction.
Cheers,
Euan
xlucid
this).sf.(antispam.)net
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 18:42:42 +0000
From: Euan Mee
Subject: Re: Epoc Digest no. 444
On 12 Feb 2004 9:29's Epoc Digest, Rolf wrote:
> I fear there is no way to show the Euro sign on the screen. On the S5mx > the Euro sign is included in it's own character set at the place # 128. On > the S5C this place is empty.
Surely ER3 allows custom bitmap fonts to be displayed, as well as
the fonts in ROM.
All you need is a font made up on the one glyph for the Euro
symbol.
When you want to display the Euro, you select its font.
HP wrote a font specifically for doin gthis for old PCs and old laser printers.
There are already utilities to convert truetype fonts for use on
Epoc32 devices.
It's convoluted, but I'm sure it's possible even for ER3.
Cheers,
Euan
lucid
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:19:43 +0000
From: Euan Mee
Subject: Re: Psion's business
On 12 Feb 2004, at 15:33' Epoc Digest Alan wrote: > This is to allow Psion to focus on it's Teklogix business. >
> My first thoughts: what business!
Vertical markets - like to retail chains or manufacturing firms.
Cheers,
Euan
lucid
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:26:26 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: Writing macros
Howdy!
Timothy H.D. Williams wrote (> ):
> Could you kindly give me a template macro for date
> entry?
What format do you want the date in?
Here's a sample macro which enters the date and time.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
PROC Macro:
Paste:(DATIM$)
ENDP
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The above will paste the date in the following format:
Sun 15 Feb 2004 18:49:37
Create a new file in the "Program" application and paste this text to it, the hit "Tran" to compile the macro. Answer "No" to the question "Run Program?". Create a new shortcut to the macro OPO file in your favourite macro launcher and launch the macro.
Note that this macro will not run as a standalone application. It must be launched from Macro5, Merlin, Assistant or another similar task launcher.
Some other examples of what you can put in the paste statement are:
Paste:("%%date%%")
Result: Sun 15 Feb 2004
Paste:("%%time%%")
Result: 18:49:37
Paste:("%%date DD/MM/yy%%")
Result: 15/02/04
Paste:("%%time HH:MM%%")
Result: 18:49
Paste:("%%time hh:MM:SS AP%%")
Result: 06:49:37 PM
You can also combine several keywords like:
Paste:("%%date DD/MM/yy%%"+" "+"%%city%%"+", "+"%%country%%")
Result: 15/02/04 Santa Cruz de La Palma, Spain
Paste:("Or you can paste a string of text up to 255 characters.")
Result: Or you can paste a string of text up to 255 characters.
PS. Even though I prefer Merlin as my daily task launcher, I normally use Macro5 when testing a macro I'm developing. The reason for this is that Merlin loads and keeps the macro in memory "in case" it's needed again. This causes problems if you've edited and recompiled the macro in the meantime. An example of the programmers trying to be too smart...
Owen
Thought for the day:
I haven't a particle of confidence in a man who has no redeeming petty vices.
- Mark Twain
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:26:34 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: adapters, 5MX for sale,
Howdy!
Itamar Engelsman wrote (> ):
> 5MX for sale
<SNIP>
> If anyone is interested in buying it at the "going"
> rate email me off digest.
What would the "going" rate be these days? I suppose it would depend on the mileage of the screen cable? Just curious.
Owen
Thought for the day:
I can handle reality in small doses, but as a lifestyle it's much too confining.
- Lilly Tomlin
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:31:15 +0000
From: Euan Mee
Subject: Re: Psion's Symbian sale
On 12 Feb 2004 15:33's Antony wrote:
> an asset stripping management (possibly indicating cash flow
> problems)
Symbian's causing a lot of the cash flow problems - Psion had to
pay £9.4m (curr. $17.6m) in 2003 to cover Symbian's losses.
Cheers,
Euan
xlucid
this).sf.(antispam.)net
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:39:01 +0000
From: Euan Mee
Subject: Re: netBook - CE only?
On 13 Feb 2004, at 15:08, Epoc Digest wrote:
> they
> will be basically left with Teklogix which they will further develop > direction Microsoft platform.
They're also discussing the possibility of a Linux netBook, even in the press release about selling their share in Symbian.
Cheers,
Euan
xlucid
this).sf.(antispam.)net
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 21:08:29 +0000
From: Axel Moberg
Subject: Scandinavian characters again
Thanks again for valuable suggestions. My conclusions can be summarized as follows.
1) Fn+key is something I have already got on my MC 218. It works and is sometimes necessary. But it is cumbersome and time-consuming with
the very frequent characters I am talking about. (Owen, Andrew, Klaus)
2) Same comment to Alan's tip about Ctrl+. But it definitely offers greater possibilities when the need arises.
3) In those cases copy and paste is practical way, which I have used occasionally for Slavonic diacritics. But it is not good for everyday use. 4) An easier way is to type a different, and unfrequent, character and then use Find and Replace or a similar command. But it may lead to unpleasant surprises.
5) TwinKey also seems slightly cumbersome, if it has to be switched on and off.
6) Possibly also slightly cumbersome with Macro5, it I understand correctly. 7) So the only real solution is to assign the characters to other keys. Then there would only be a need to press one key each time. This raises
the problem Owen is referring to, namely the risk of running out of keys. Yes, but some samples indicate that هنِ constitute about 5% of the characters I normally write. While qw and ' account for only about
0.05%. So it seems logical that the former deserve keys of their own,
while one could banish the latter to Fn+key. (Another candidate would
have been x, if it hadn't been for my name.) For texts in Swedish that
is. Texts in English or French is another kettle of fish.
8) So, Zavorine's key mapper would have been interesting. But Zaworine seems to have moved to another website, and there are no user
contributions there.
9) Remapper might have been a solution. But the website has disappeared. There seems to a similar programme made by a guy in Kiev, but I doubt
that Russian characters would do much good. And a few websites in Hungarian, which some of us may not be so good at.. But there may be others.
10) Which leaves us with Klaus's suggestion of keybLayout. I have installed it on my MC218, and it works. Thanks a lot, Klaus. And you say
it works on netbook as well?
11) I shall try that first, for some time. And then I shall decide
whether it is worthwhile to get a netBook or possibly s7, maybe with
German keyboard. (Thanks for the offer, Klaus, but not quite yet. Und
ein bischen Geduld, Christoph.)
Thanks again for all the help
Axel Moberg
Axel Moberg
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 21:43:57 +0000
From: David Steer \(Plus\)
Subject: Re: Revo won't switch on
Vlad,
I seem to remember this happening to someone before and they placed the Revo in the fridge overnight with the charge cable in and charging (the fridge magnetic seal should close round the cable).
I recall that this fixed the problem and the machine started charging normally.
Alternitively, I think POS can fix this.
Regards
David Steer
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 22:06:47 +0000
From: Alan Morris
Subject: Re: inserting carriage returns
chris-cooper <of no fixed abode> wrote:-
> But I also often want to insert carriage returns using
> Find/Replace. Does anyone know of any way to get a
> carriage return into the 'Replace with' field of the
> dialogue window?
No one answered in the next Digest, however, I've just been browsing my 'Psion OPL' Jotter file, where I save postings on that subject. Hear is that page with an edited Q&A, below my sig.
Alan R Morris, G4ENS.
Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.
Using a Psion netBook & Nokia 6210e.
Find/Replace 'Enter' 29 Dec 2003
Astrid Stappenbeck
Does anybody know how to replace (in Word/ Editor e.g) a sign with a line break i.e. 'Enter'?
I have a couple of ebooks which are sometimes formatted in a way, that each line ends with a linebreak - not very nice to look at with certain viewers or zoom-levels. I therefore replace them with a space but of course I don't want that with the 'real' paragraphs.
So double linebreaks are at first replaced wthe rest with 'space' and then I want to replace with a linebreak but this is read as 'OK' by the system. At the moment I use a very clumsy macro:
SendKey:("Ctrl+f") rem find
SendKey:("Fn+
SendKey:("Enter") rem confirmSendKey:("Enter") rem insert linebreak
and that is copied a couple of times. (Very clumsy!)
How can I say: repeat till the end of text ?
This would still be rather slow. Is there a way to get the original replace procedure, just that confirmation is done with 'Ctl+Enter' as in Data and not with a simple 'Enter'
Astrid
From: Rolf Vonau
Here is my proposal for you:
PROC Macro:
LOCAL S$(1)
WHILE 1
SendKey:("Ctrl+f")
SendKey:("Fn+
SendKey:("Enter")
S$=""
S$=Copy$:
IF S$<& BREAK
ENDIF
SendKey:("Enter")
ENDWH
ENDP
This macro works until it doesn't fiRolf, Munich
http://home.arcor.de/rhvonau/index.htm
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 22:54:44 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Spanish
Hi
I asked about this a long time ago, but can't remember ever having received a useful reply.
As some of you have probably discovered, I am presently in a Spanish speaking land, and very much enjoying it too. Does anyone have suggestions for EPOC stuff that would come in handy for learning this marvellous language so I can communicate with the pretty girls?
I have the Berlitz Phrase Book software, but a Spanish - English dictionary would be very handy. The Berlitz Phrase Book doesn't quite work with the Revo screen though, but it is usable.
Owen
Thought for the day:
For every problem there is one solution which is simple, neat, and wrong.
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 9205309
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 23:27:51 +0000
From: Jim Watson-Gove
Subject: Dana for 5mx
Just got back from a trip to the San Francisco Bay Area to participate in a series of poetry readings. During the trip Eleanor lost her 5mx.
I have a perfectly good Dana 8 meg machine, with IR travel modem (never used as I had my own - one came with the Dana package), power supplies, two 64 meg flash cards, all (registered) software etc etc, that I would trade for a 5mx with a bad cable.
Please answer off list.
jim - port townsend
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Date: 15 Feb 2004 23:27:54 +0000
From: Jim Watson-Gove
Subject: Pounds vs Dollars on Malaybook
When I use sheet on my Malaybook, i see pounds rather than dollars. I can't seem to find a preference setting to change it. Is here one short of changing the OS (not that bothered by it)?
jim - port townsend
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 01:48:56 +0000
From: Antony
Subject: Thought for the day
To: Itamar Engelsman
> If you don't like these, we request you kindly just to skip reading them and allow others to enjoy them. <
The problem with adding off topic pointless anecdotes (and often completely wrong) to the end of messages is that once encountered, it is too late not to read them.
Question: How off topic can I make my thoughts for the day? Can my thoughts be about wishing harm to others? Maybe they could be remarks to insult an individual, disguised as light humour? A political point of view?
Maybe some people prefer to read Anti-virus messages. Why remove them EPOC unrelated messages and keep other non Epoc 'Thoughts for the day'? If people didn't post them, others wouldn't comment on them. I doubt many would miss them either.
Owen Morgan seems to be the most prevalent 'Thought for the day' spammer and it seems that he posts multiple emails rather than one with multiple replies to a particular digest, simply for the sake of posting a different 'Thought for the day' with each!
To: Timothy H.D. Williams
>Unneccessary and uncalled for.<
Strange. I don't recall you posting a similar message when the 'Thought for the day' in digest #446 was: -
"Anthony's Law of force:
Don't force it, get a larger hammer."
I thought my point was quite accurate an long overdue.
What about this one in #448? :There are a lot more horse's asses than there are horses.
Is this an attempt to insult someone (possibly me for the 'Thought for the day' you are responding to) or is it simply a harmless anecdote? Either way I feel this and all other 'Thoughts for the day' as completely "Unneccessary and uncalled for"
And if we're being pedantic about this, there are no more horses asses than there are horses, unless the implication is an attempt to be unpleasant and refer to people as horses asses. If so, why does this belong on the EPOC digest?
Antony Booth
Thought for the day:
Why don't people post 'Thoughts for the day' on a thoughts for the day forum instead so people who want to read them can happily subscribe to it?
Another thought for the day: Didn't want to read this? Too late. Point made ;-)
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 12:07:40 +0000
From: Owen H. Morgan
Subject: Re: Euro-sign on 5 classic
Howdy!
Astrid Stappenbeck wrote (> ):
> since the 5 is able to display about anything
> provided it is installed the easiest way would be
> to get the 5mx fonts (which include the € symbol
> and install it in /System/Fonts . The file is
> eon.gdr and has a size of 205 kb.
Did anyone try this? It might just work if the S5 font file is the same format as the 5mx. However, I seem to remember that the ability to add fonts was something that came with ER5. Maybe I'm wrong. I thought I was wrong once before, but it turned out that wasn't right...
Owen
Thought for the day:
A man's best friend is his dogma.
--
Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-928°14.86'N 16°50.54'W
Santa Cruz de La Palma, Canary Islands
http://home.no.net/naomij
Phone and SMS:
In Spain: +34 620520079
In Norway: +47 92053097
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:01:19 +0000
From: Adam Carter
Subject: EPOC Sync for ER3
G'day
I used to use Epocsync to make PC-less back up between my S7 and Revo.
My Revo barely holds any charge and my S7 screen calibration is wandering, so i have made the transitition from ER5 to ER3. BTW I love Epocsync! I only wish there was a similar version for ER3 machines. Does anyone know of such a program?
thank you
Adam
Adelaide Australia
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:12:49 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: CronTab fix, language files, Linux Portables from Psion, Writing macros,
Answer to: Chris S Handley
Re.: CronTab fix - Thanks a lot. I installed it and changed to summertime and back and CronTab did not set off any alarms as it used to do. I am glad that Pascal apparently has been found and is prepared to hand over the codes. Does that include the code for Macro5 ?
I find that Crontab greatly enhances the functionality of my Psions as it can run macro's and alarms at set periodically returning times. During the night it sets my Psion to open with the diary set on the current day, and during the day it twice pops my To-Do list to the foreground to remind me. What are other users using CronTab for ?
Answer to: Astrid Stappenbeck
Re.: language files - I am not sure where to get them, but if you mean the language files of the Psions dictionary and thesaurus, which languages are you looking for ?
Answer to: Timothy
Re. Linux Portables from Psion - Are you not running ahead a little ? No one has said that Psion will return to the PDA market. At the moment it is nothing more than wishful thinking.
Re. Writing macros - This has been discussed many years ago and not that long ago I threw away my notes on this matter <ouch>. Can someone remind Timothy how to enter dates and times in a spreadsheet so you can add them up ?
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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Date: 16 Feb 2004 13:12:50 +0000
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Broken REVO hinge
Question for someone else.
====================
Is it possible to repair a broken hinge on the REVO yourself and if so how ?
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, UK
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