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Epoc Digest Mon, 28 Oct 2002 Volume 01 : Number 099
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In today's Epoc Digest 21 messages:
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- External drives
- protective disply foil
- WinCE-ing from alternatives (4 Euan)
- Where is Lieuwe de Vries?
- Re: CRAPware (for Steve)
- Price of PDFPrinter
- Lunatic Fringe (4 Rolf)
- Jotter (4 Rolf)
- Is this sig too long? ;)
- Clamshell Jornadas (4 Arent)
- AA batteries (4 Euan)
- Rolf's fax explanations / modem cables
- Lotus 123, Modem cable, Symbian 7,
- RE: Travel modem data transfer rates
- E-Mail from Psion via IR-Mobile (Germany)
- re: Re: Rechargable AAs
- Drowned Classic
- Re: Re: Cleaning screen
- Origin of '5ive'?
- Script for GPRS / Revos at expansys
- Thanks to Itamar, phone in Rome
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 02:19:50 +0100
From: Darryl Kempster
Subject: External drives
Owen wrote :-
"To me, the main thing I'm unhappy with concerning the EPOC palmtops is simply that they made them too dependant on a WindoZe computer."
Totally with you on that one. As someone who neither owns nor wants a Windoze computer it's very frustrating having to borrow a PC just to install software from a floppy/CD for instance. I have invested in a microdrive and numerous CF cards to compensate for the lack of an external storage device. But if you ever find a way to utilise your CD-ROM or external hard disk drive I for one would buy one like a shot. Anyone else out there with the necessary expertise or inclination?
The only other thing the Psion lacks is a decent web browser - still do most of my surfing on my mate's PC and then transfer the downloads to the Psion. Even when Opera manages to open the page the Net is so complex these days that time outs are inevitable and lead to a very frustrating experience. What really does my head in is having to open about 6 pages just to get to the download!!! Try that on a Psion and still have a smile on your face.
Darryl
On tour with Raging Speedhorn
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 06:50:47 +0100
From: vlad arghir
Subject: protective disply foil
Hallo all
I have discovered a, probably limited, source of display protection foils - a thin plastic film that adheres without glue to the display. I have been using them on my two 5mx and they are ok - they also diminish reflexion a little (this didn't save the screen-cable from it's usual yearly demise...). If I order more than 12, I can have them for 2.50 EUR (in smaller amounts they cost up to 5 EUR apiece) and mail them to anyone in Europe for 1 EUR p&p. I don't do this for business. I will order two for my freshly screen-cabled machine. Mail me privately asap if you want one.
best,
vlad
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:44:51 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: WinCE-ing from alternatives (4 Euan)
"It does suggest which weaknesses are structural and likely to
remain over the long haul"
Absolutely, but all OS's have weaknesses and not all OS's are crap. :)
"Anyone who wants their battery pack to last out a working day cares."
You seem to be implying that the Jornada has a short runtime. The newly introduced 728 has a runtime averaging *over* 8 or 9 hours on a charge - which would seem to be enough to get most anyone through a working day. Not many users use their Palmtop for a full 8 or 9 hours of actual ontime in a single day! FYI, the older 720 achieves over 6 or 7 hours per charge which is none too shabby for a fulltime backlit, colour-screened palmtop, IMO. Though perhaps not good enough for my needs. :)
"And just because users care, doesn't mean that
manufacturers listen. Otherwise we'd have laptpos that had
longer battery lives, instead of just faster processors, more
memory and graphics accelerators."
But HP *has* been listening - how else to explain that the 728 comes with a new improved higher capacity battery which offers a substantial improvement in runtime over that of the 720? Also a palmtop requires a longer runtime than a laptop, since most palmtop users wish to use their palmtop when not hooked up to AC most of the time, while most laptop users (that I know anyway) don't mind having to scrounge around for an outlet once they get where they're going. When speaking of laptops I think that there is much stronger consumer demand (in actual dollars spent) for faster processors etc. than there is for an increase in battery runtime. Just MO though.
"True. Jornada's used to be in production. :-)"
The Jornada 700 series has been a reasonably good seller for HP - hence the Jornada HPC line is very much still in production! The latest iteration, the 728, AFAIK, is definitely still in production - do you know different? What is your source?
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
P.S. - I apologize for the lateness of this reply. I have been grappling indecisively with my poetry of late and have had little time or energy for email :(
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:44:55 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Where is Lieuwe de Vries?
To make a long story short I purchased MBMView (along with a few other EPOC apps) from Handango recently and found that the download link that was supposed to be to the full program only provided me with the shareware version and no reg code. It took me 11 days, and G-d knows how many emails, just to get a response from Handango and only then after I emailed both the CEO and the President in desperation! Meanwhile, numerous emails to the author of MBMView, Lieuwe de Vries, resulted only in a message that Mr. de Vries' Inbox was full and in the end Handango could only provide me with a refund. I would still like to register MBMView - so if anyone knows how to contact Lieuwe de Vries - I'd appreciate if you could contact me off or onlist with that information.
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:14 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Re: CRAPware (for Steve)
"David,
I just want to emphasise that I was _not_ saying that current HPC or WinCE is crap. I was following up specifically on some points made by Rolf regarding the company rather than the product. It was to some extent going off thread but seemed appropriate to keep the same subject title. Other than that I am more than happy to leave the whole subject of WinCE behind."
By now I'm beginning to lose track of the whole conversation but I apologize if I misunderstood you. I too have issues with the way MS has pursued its profit and I do think the pricing of some of its most profitable products are kept artificially high due to a lack of real competition. I certainly did not mean to imply that Bill Gates is a mensch or that I think he is!
"Truth be told, I rather admire the way MS have turned around the WinCE line. Earlier incarnations were very poor and the company's insistence on following the Windows 95 / Start Menu paradigm for the GUI was perhaps one of the more glaring problems with the early machines, but that's an aside. Because of the resources available to them, Microsoft are capable of taking the knocks that would be fatal to other (smaller) companies.
Agreed - they can afford to make *many* mistakes - but they do seem to learn from at least some of them.
"If early versions of, say, Palm had come out with the same performance as the early WinCE machines that company would have sunk without trace."
Agreed. Of course Jeff Hawkins understood that and made his design target the simplicity of a wristwatch. Economical in features but quick and easy to use and useful.
"Looking at what has changed since those early machines, it is hard to say that the turnaround is due to a whole host of Microsoft innovations."
As we all know, MS has never been a particularly innovative company, but even if not innovative some of its products have been pretty good.
"Screens have got better, hardware design is slicker, the desktop metaphor has been abandoned (on the non-clamshell designs) in favour of a more palm-like system. System performance has been boosted by using faster processors and battery life has stayed about the same. As far as I can see, the only USP of PocketPC and HPC machines compared to EPOC and Palm are the multimedia features."
The HPC machines now have available some powerful 3rd party apps that are more functional than what's available for EPOC. HPCNotes is much more powerful than Jotter; TextMaker is a more powerful wordprocessor than Word; Jetcet Print Pro offers printing capabilities not available on a Psion; some of the graphics application are far beyond anything on the Psion, etc. However the PocketPC doesn't have a similar advantage in terms of apps when compared to a Palm - this combined with Palm's superior and simpler GUI would compel me to choose a Palm OS 5 unit over a PocketPC.
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
P.S. - I apologize for the lateness of this reply. I have been grappling indecisively with my poetry of late and have had little time or energy for email :
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:21 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Price of PDFPrinter
Without divulging the price that Sander told me he was thinking of charging for it, I'm wondering how much my fellow Psioneers would be willing to pay for PDFPrinter. Since I have no great need for it, I would be willing to register PDFP if the price were only about $10 or €10. How about _you_?
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:27 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Lunatic Fringe (4 Rolf)
Rolf Brunsting wrote:
"Arent,
"You're starting to stray in Silliness Country, I'm afraid."
and
"I'm sorry, but this is Lunatic Fringe stuff."
Nothing in Arent's message could *rationally* be seen as coming from the "Lunatic Fringe" - though *your* message could be seen as such and probably *is* coming from just such a place.
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:32 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Jotter (4 Rolf)
"The Series 5 already had three application in ROM people could use to record notes and random jottings. I therefore didn't, and still don't, see the reason for adding Jotter to EPOC Release 5."
Psion quite correctly added Jotter for one OBVIOUS reason - consumer demand. Only a *very* foolish design manager would have left Jotter out - just because he (or she) had so little use for it or could use Data instead.
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:35 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Is this sig too long? ;)
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
I reserve the right to transpose or otherwise confuse or substitute: i with I, its with it's, then with than, there with their or they're etc., and to with too, and to inadvertently enter any number of non-breaking spaces instead of simple spaces, and to otherwise screw up (or down) the punctuation, grammar, or usage of this or any message or posting I might at any time author, publish or transmit or post, on any public or private board, forum or list (this one or any other) or in any private, semi-private or public emailing - all in the name of saving me time. BTW, I would strongly recommend that anyone truly concerned with time conservation (an impossible task, surely!) in his or her own very personal life should really stop taking the time to read long and rarely, if ever, necessary addendum's or signatures at the bottom of messages, emails or Net postings such as this one.
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:38 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: Clamshell Jornadas (4 Arent)
"David , you hit the nail squarely on its head"
Glad to hear it!
"Now that I have used WindowsCE and EPOC 32 R4 side by side for several monts now , I see no major difference between the two environments in terms of stability and usability"
Very compelling testimony. I agree that the clamshell variant of CE is now stable enough. If I could not have managed to pick up a couple of new 5mx's some months ago from Exportech I would have gladly picked up a Jornada 7XX instead - without much complaint :)
"HP has now a completely mature product with its 680/690/7** range , even to the extent that they will carry on with this product and even plan to make it compatible with the iPaq in the next iteration"
I had heard that HP would be creating a new generation clamshell, but making an HPC compatible with a PPC would be Microsoft's department, no? I have heard rumours that MS was going to blend or reduce the two CE variants to one at some future point though. I really think that is the way for them to go. One OS that can be configured for differently formed devices and display resolutions makes a lot of sense to me, especially if this means that all applications can be used for all forms of devices based on the one OS. Imagine if the Jornada HPC could benefit from all PocketPC applications or programs and vice versa!
"The HP7** LX is currently the best small clamshell available , bar none"
From a pure technological prowess POV you are quite right. But I do think that a certain number or balance of practically useful features makes the 5mx the equal to the Jornada, and a superior fit for me.
"I waited two years for WindowsCE to mature before taking the plunge and forking out the then NLG 2216 for my 680 , a strategy that paid off handsomely as it resulted in a mature and stable product I have used incident-free over the past three years
Nederlandse Spoorwegen came to the same conclusion and ordered theirs at nearly the same time"
Good thing that you were patient! What is Nederlandse Spoorwegen?
"The whole range from the 680 and up beats the crap out of the smaller Psions in terms of speed , stability , functionality , AND independece from the Windows desktop , however they have to accept the netbook as its equal ( for the netbook , the only thing missing is support for SCSI cards in its PCCard slot )"
I don't see the Jornada's as being more stable than the small Psions, and in some ways the 5mx is still more functional than the Jornada. Be that as it may they are both excellent palmtops!
"When it comes that the choice of handheld also determines the choice of desktop OS , the coming migration of Palm to the Pocketpc hardware platform will make matters worse for the alternative-OS communities as they(palm) too will become dependent on Windows -only features and protocols"
The choice of handheld already influences the choice of OS for some customers. Since the Psion has better connectivity to Windows, and since my Psion is now my primary computer, I would be reluctant to consider a Mac when it comes time to replace my Windows laptop. As for Palm becoming dependent on Windows only protocols - I doubt it will come to that, but we shall see ;)
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
P.S. - I apologize for the lateness of this reply. I have been grappling indecisively with my poetry of late and have had little time or energy for email :(
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 09:45:46 +0100
From: David Lir
Subject: AA batteries (4 Euan)
"As I've been meandering around te place, I noticed there is
more than one type of Duracel Ultra
There are plain 'Duracell Ultra's, and now also (in the UK at
least) 'Duracell M3 Ultra's - available in Dixons for £15.98 for
24, or £10.89 for 12."
Indeed there are. The Ultra M3's have provided me with an extra 5 hours or so over standard alkalines - not worth the price differential, IMO, but I got the M3's with my battery operated toothbrushes so I figured I'd give 'em a go in the 5mx.
"I find that Uniross 1700mAH AA rechargables are much
cheaper to use, and last practically as long:"
I also usually use NiMH cells for their obvious cost benefit - but I do switch back to alkalines from time to time.
"Plus, a confession: I've become so anorak-y over trying to get long lives from rechargable AA batteries, that I have a
spreadsheet which records the time I swap batteries over, and
the total hh:mm and mAH used; calculates out the various
other stuff, like elapsed days, mAH/£ from a set of batteries,
etc.; and graphs usage, battery-life trends, the usable charge I
get from a given battery set in a particular charger, etc."
LOL. I'm far too lazy to ever keep such close track of things. Besides my wife would tell me I was nuts! "you boys and your toys" is a common refrain I hear from the ladies when talking of my handheld or shortwave hobbies.
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David Lir - \\:>{o>
P.S. - I apologize for the lateness of this reply. I have been grappling indecisively with my poetry of late and have had little time or energy for email :(
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 11:54:31 +0100
From: "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN"
Subject: Rolf's fax explanations / modem cables
Dear all,
I would like to thank Rolf Brunsting for his clear explanations on how the GSM network proceeds with faxes. I knew that it would not be very likely that you could just send the beeps of an analogue fax right through the microphone of your GSM phone, but I did not know the exact details nor how to explain them simply.
Modem cables:
How did the Psioneer who originally asked the question finally deal with this problem?
Yours truly,
Thomas van der Zijden
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 13:52:04 +0100
From: Itamar Engelsman
Subject: Lotus 123, Modem cable, Symbian 7,
Answer to: Euan Mee <Off topic>
Re. Lotus 123 - I started using it in 1988 and still use it. I learned the macro script and built tremendously long macro's which still work today. I find it easier to use and can't be bothered to start learning visual basic to do the same in Excel.
Answer to: Rolf Brunsting
Re. Modem cable - No, I tried to use the telephone cable between the socket and the telephone for my travelmodem (unplugged the telephone and plugged the wire in the modem) and did not succeed. I changed it to a modem cable between socket and modem and it did work. It is some time ago and maybe today phone cables come fully wired.
Re. Symbian 7 - I know, but marketing exists of the 4 P's, product, price, place, promotion. Place is one of them, where you sell your goods. I just stated Psion made marketing mistakes, I did not quantify them against specific remarks in the former Psion forum. As to a great new machine, to continue in your existing market you are right. However, to break in again you will have to bring something significantly different from your competitors to stand out and break into the market.
Best regards,
Itamar Engelsman
London, U
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 13:59:15 +0100
From: "Kevin Okell"
Subject: RE: Travel modem data transfer rates
< I've bought a Psion 56K travel modem to use with my Revo Plus and have noticed, when trying to view web pages via Opera, that the actual data transfer rates are in the order of 1-2KBps rather than 56K >>
I'm afraid there are a few things you overlook.
The first is that the speed rating of the Travel Modem is 56 kilobit per second (kbps) while the download speed Opera reports is in kilobyte per second (kBps). A difference of a factor 8 : 56 kbps equals 7 kBps.
The second is that it's rare for a 56 kbps modem to establish a connection at its highest speed. It only does that when it's connected to a really excellent phone line. One spec of dust on the line, so to speak, and it's no longer able to connect at 56 kbps. A speed of around 44 kbps (5.5 kBps) is a more practical figure.
Third is that, when you use standard modem settings, the modem will automatically retrain when line conditions change. That is, when the modem notices that line conditions have improved, or worsened, it will negotiate with the remote modem to switch to a higher or lower speed. Retraining takes time during which no data is passed from modem to modem. When you're dealing with a bit of a flakey phone line the automatic retraining can do more harm than good.
Fourth aspect is that Opera records the effective download speed. Which takes account of the fact that a web server won't send the data representing pages and graphics in a continuous stream. You're not the only one who's connected to the web server. The server will need to distribute its capacity between an x-number of users. The result is that there will be pauses in the data stream - the server 'stutters'. Say that the web server sends 1 kByte in a second, pauses for 2 seconds and sends another 1 kByte in a second and the effective download speed is 0.5 kBps.
Number five is that Opera's rendering of pages and graphics on screen takes processing power. Meaning that Opera will temporarily halt the data flow when it has a lot of work to do. Needless to say that this has an effect on the effective download speed.
I trust the above explains why you're not always getting the download speeds your modem is capable of.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
Thanks for the explanation Rolf - I hadn't appreciated that Opera was showing kilobytes rather than kilobits and that certainly puts a different complexion on things. Nevertheless, I'd like to know if I can get any nearer the 5.5kBps you mention - the best I've observed is 2.3kBps and less than 1kBps is usual. You mention that automatic retraining is performed for standard modem settings - is there any way to disable this via alternative modem settings? On the fourth point, the best response I ever get is from Google and other sites vary - guess I could try a different ISP too (I use Firenet). And on the last point, can I speed things up by altering Opera preferences? I've turned off images and increased cache settings to 500K but I'm not sure about proxy server settings. On a related subject, is there any other software that can show what the modem is doing?
Thanks for the tips, Kevin Okell
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 14:08:30 +0100
From: "Liebmann, Karsten (KL)"
Subject: E-Mail from Psion via IR-Mobile (Germany)
Hello folks,
after some fiddling around with the Psion5 mail program, I have found that a "Authentisierung" (English = Authentification) is needed to send mails. Without that I can send mails only to folks from the same domain (genion.de) - I was told - and sending these mails works fine. All other mails won't go.
1. Can I switch this on, on the Psion5?
2. I fear, I can not, as I have not found this in the settings. If not, what is the recommended provider to go for in Germany (low dial-in cost) that would not require this?
3. Other workarounds?
Greetings
Karsten
Germany
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 14:57:20 +0100
From: "Chris Cooper"
Subject: re: Re: Rechargable AAs
Rolf (Brunsting) wrote:
> You can continue writing to CF card until the voltage goes below the 2.2 Volt mark, whatever the type of battery.
You can't if your machine won't let you. My 5mx is refusing to write to my CF card, and the voltage meter is reading 2.5V.
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Dear Edward,
<< But if you count the time from a full 3v charge down to the minimum charge that's safe for writing to the CF card (2.6v), the usable time on disposable batteries is a lot less >>
You can continue writing to CF card until the voltage goes below the 2.2 Volt mark, whatever the type of battery.
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Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands
>>>
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:04:16 +0100
From: "Chris Cooper"
Subject: Drowned Classic
Aleck wrote:
<< My wife got drenched on her way to work, it was very cold and very wet (Scotland) and her psion revo+ would not switch on when she got to work, despite the fact that it didn't seem to be wet >>
I lost my first Psion when I cycled through a rainstorm, forgetting it was in my raincoat pocket. When I took it out and opened it, water gushed out ...
Even several days in an airing-cupboard couldn't revive it.
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:18:26 +0100
From: "Chris Cooper"
Subject: Re: Re: Cleaning screen
I can't imagine living without a Widget screen protector on my 5mx - it would feel like walking on eggs all the time. I thought they were pricey when I got a packet, but they last forever - my packet of 10 will outlast the market in 2nd-hand series 5s.
The only time I need to put a new protector on is when my machine comes back with a new screen from screen-cable repair ... which is all too often, of course ...
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Date: 24 Oct 2002 18:16:27 +0100
From: "Owen H. Morgan"
Subject: Re: Cleaning screen
...
I normally use a lens cleaning cloth, a clean handkerchief or even soft toilet paper. More or less whatever comes to hand. I like to add that you should start by dusting the screen very lightly (with the cloth) in case there's a speck of sand or something on it. I speak from sad experience. My old S5 acquired a very nasty scratch in exactly this way. When you're sure there's nothing there that could scratch it, you can attack the greasy fingerprints a bit more vigorously.
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 15:51:23 +0100
From: "Chris Cooper"
Subject: Origin of '5ive'?
Can anyone tell me why the 5ive is so called? (It just means Series 5, doesn't it?)
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 17:57:28 +0100
From: Christopher Marwood
Subject: Script for GPRS / Revos at expansys
Marcus asked about scripting for a GPRS connection...
My understanding is that mobilegprsupdate (aka mobile connectivity update v2.00) allows the use of long init strings
The following script works reliably for my Siemens S45 - some parts of it are not relevant to you but may it will offer some clues regarding the language. I hasten to add that this script was mainly the work of Riku Hintukainen who kindly helpd my hand until it worked.
For anyone interested, expansys.com say they have a new batch of Revo Plus coming in.
Best wishes, Chris
start:
SEND "AT+CGQREQ=1,3,4,3,7,31"+<0x0d>
WAIT 20
{
"OK" cont
}
cont:
SEND "AT+CGDCONT=1,"+<0x22>+"IP"+<0x22>+","+<0x22>+"internet"+<0x22>+<0x0d>
WAIT 10
{
"OK" dial
}
EXIT KErrTimeOut$
dial:
SEND "ATD"+<0x2a>+"99"+<0x2a>+<0x2a>+<0x2a>+"1"+<0x23>+<0x0d>
WAIT 10
{
"CONNECT" success
}
EXIT KErrTimeOut$
success:
EXIT
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Date: 28 Oct 2002 19:48:43 +0100
From: "Hoffman, Susan"
Subject: Thanks to Itamar, phone in Rome
This digest is great. Thanks, itamar, for giving me permission to delete the mail folder. Of course it took about 5 minutes to delete. But it freed up lots of memory and will certainly shorten my backup time. No prob losing the settings because the service I used for a brief period is history. Now that I have a Blackberry I can't see going back to the 5 for email.
An off digest question for those of you in Europe (Italy in particular). We have 2 T Mobile phones that use SIMM cards. If we bring them to Italy is there a phone company that will sell us cards good for a week or prepaid for a fixed amount so we don't have to rent an actual phone? We'll be there Cristmas week so we have time.
And thanks to Owen for the grammar dig. I'm usually the nitpicker so I appreciate it coming the other way.
Susan Katz Hoffman
Pepper Hamilton LLP (215) 981-4990
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