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- USB GIrBIL and EPOC Release 5

- Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 113

- 6310i and faxing; Web on Mako

- Zenobyte Not Responding

- Exporting Contacts using vCard format

- Emulator Add/Remove

- sharing SHAREWARE

- US laptop in Europe

- Needed volunteer to compile a simple speed test

- morality & aesthetics ;-)

- Re: Shareware - illegal use

- Re: Ser.7 and Revo/ Mako

- RE: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 114

- Re: MenuS5 limitations / Morality

- USB GIrBIL, Shareware - illegal use, ER3/5 programs,

- Holidays &temporary unsubscribe

- EpocVNC

- 9210 wish list

- Appology for MIME, email on 9210

- Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

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Date: 18/11/2002 1:39:27 am

From: andy.nott

Subject: USB GIrBIL and EPOC Release 5

I bought a USB GIrBIL a couple of days ago due to the fact that I use aSeries 7, Revo Plus and Series 5mx and get fed up changing the leads aroundin my one serial port on my Windows XP desktop PC. However, although I canget the PC to communicate with a Psion, I am not able to transfer files viainfrared - a message comes up on the PC telling me that the Psion will notaccept file transfer by infrared. I have tried taking the speed of both downto 19200, but still no luck. I am now getting frustrated as I really want tomake the most of having a wireless connections between my PC and Psions. Hasanyone had this problem and overcome it? I suspect that it's not Windows XPthat's the problem, but maybe ER5? Any help would be most appreciated.

Regards

Andy Not

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Date: 18/11/2002 2:57:40 am

From: "R. Ryerson"

Subject: Re: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 113

The Siena SSD *will physically* fit into the netBook's RS232 slot, butthat's about it. The reason it doesn't work is because netBook (like allother ER5 devices, 5mx etc..) can't read external drives. That's what Istill love about the Series 3xx line... it's ability to read externaldrives. BTW, the SSD drive works with the 3c/mx models in addition to theSiena.

Richard

>>Walking down memory lane...

>>I've been playing with a Siena these last few weeks..

>>Several colleagues have asked 'where can I get it?' and 'is it >>new?'>>Most refuse to believe it's old...

>>They also plain refuse to believe the battery statistics...

>>(14 - 15mAh)

>>Then I got the external SSD drive for it.

>>Since it connects to the RS232 port I hoped that there was a >>way to makeit work with my netBook, but...

>>The plug looks identical but isn't, so it only fits the Siena. (I >>don'thave a S3c or S3mx to try on yet)

>>It's also just as fast as the internal SSD drives on any other >>SIBOmodel, so it's plainly NOT using Serial >>communications. (The Siena islimited to 19200baud)

>>:-)

>>Trygve

>>Who has the top bid on an Psion S3 classic on QXL.no right >>now...>>(Please don't try to outbid me :-)

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Date: 20/11/2002 5:02:48 pm

From: Kevin Collins

Subject: 6310i and faxing; Web on Mako

Hi folks,

Re: 6310i and faxing

To Mike and others: I reported recently that I was able to fax successfullywith my 6310i and 5mx combination. Well, due to a fault in the phone, Ireceived a replacement, and this one sends the first page *twice* each time,irrespective of modem. It is a more recent build: if one presses *#0000#one is given this info. This phone is v 5.10 date 11-09-02. Does anyonewho has this build have the double fax problem, I wonder. At least I cansend, I suppose :-)

Re: Web on Mako

Andrew wrote:

< when attempting to install Web on my Mako. The fix was to change the fileproperties of a system file from read only (not certain but think it was'System\LIBS\WebEng.dll', if not search for a read only file in System

folders).>

Andrew, thanks very much for that. I am apparently one of the few whoprefer Opera to Web, but for size reasons would prefer Web on my Mako. WhenI tried to install (or run? i cannot recall now) about a year ago, I am sureI received a message to the effect that the Mako did not support the Webapplication. Are you saying that if I go ahead and install, and change thefile properties as above, that Web will actually run on the

Mako?

Regards,

Kevin [Cork, Ireland]

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Date: 21/11/2002 2:30:43 am

From: "Gary Y Reyes"

Subject: Zenobyte Not Responding

>Date: 13 Nov 2002 21:23:51 +0000

>From: Rolf Brunsting >Subject: Re: Nokia 7650 cameraphone & Psion >

>Dear Jorge,

><< confirmed with Zenobyte that the N7650 is not compatible with =>PhoneManPro

>Kind Regards,

>Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

Gentlemen,

Been posting questions to Zenobyte using the email address indicated intheir website. But have not gotten any response.

Anyone with a specific name and email address that I can contact?

Thanks for the help,

Gary

_______________________________________

EDSAMAIL. Internet the way YOU WANT IT.

www.edsamail.com.ph

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Date: 21/11/2002 9:44:30 am

From: "D.N.Wijewardane"

Subject: Exporting Contacts using vCard format

Hello!

Can anyone throw light on exporting Contacts database using the inbuiltvCard (.vcf) function on a Revo+? I exported my entire Contacts databasethis way but failed to import it into Palm's Desktop/Address software (whichlists a vCard format as acceptable, but this has a .vcs extension and not.vcf as in the EPOC Contacts software). Attempting to import a 599k Contactsdatabase containing about 1300 individual contact details causes the PalmAddress Book software to crash, quoting too many entries ! Surely it can'tbe that hard a task...

Also where can I download vCard software to read my original Contacts exportfile?

Any light gratefully received.

Best wishes

Nishy

Sri Lanka

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Date: 21/11/2002 3:26:18 pm

From: Keith Giles

Subject: Emulator Add/Remove

I've asked this before but haven't seen any response. Maybe somebody new whoknows the answer will read this.

While there is an Add/Remove icon (not in color, maybe grayed out) in myEmulator's Control Panel, it doesn't work. I just get a "not found" messagewhen I double-click it. I *think* I have all the wins opx files loaded -everything else works in the Control Panel. Can anyone tell me what, if any,file I'm missing, and/or how to get the Add/Remove function to work?

Happy Cycling,

Keith

Sunnyvale, CA

http://home.attbi.com/~ohsix827/

Thought For The Day: Always remember that you are absolutely unique - justlike everyone else.

All my outgoing e-mails have been checked by Norton Anti-virus.

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Date: 21/11/2002 5:30:39 pm

From: PaulDDB

Subject: sharing SHAREWARE

Phillip asks

<< If a reader was after a registered version of software I had paid for,what would the position (both legal and moral) be if I supplied a copy, withreg file, to that reader? >>

From a moral perspective, you may be on safe ground if you've made diligentefforts to contact the author, ..... but

My intellectual property law is a little rusty, but from a purely legalpoint of view, it's just as though you bought an expensive software likeMicrosoft Office and gave it to a friend with the key code - whether youcharged or not would not affect the violation of your agreement with thesoftware vendor.

EPOC shareware is not usually produced with a view to making great profitsor with aggressive marketing, but the legal principle is the same. And evenif the author has died, the rights pass to his estate or heirs.

Contrast the situation where Psion PLC made PsiWin readily available fordownload from their site, expressly intending it to be available to all.

I think the only truly safe course is to make extensive efforts to contactthe authors (including local phone directories etc.), and perhaps request a"blanket" permission to disseminate the software.

Regards,

Paul Bishop

Attorney (California); Solicitor (England)

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Date: 21/11/2002 5:34:15 pm

From: PaulDDB

Subject: US laptop in Europe

vlad wrote

<< Susan - the laptop will work fine in Europe Paul, electricity plugs arealso different in Europe! :-) >>

sorry - I forgot to mention to get plug adaptors. I think most laptop mainsadaptors are auto voltage sensing, but do make sure it is marked <110v ~240v>

Paul Bishop

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Date: 21/11/2002 6:32:21 pm

From: Alberto

Subject: Needed volunteer to compile a simple speed test

Hello

I have made a simple speed test on two machines (P3, P4), it is a C programthat do a piece of LU factorization (operations) and give the time.

I would want do it on my Psion, but I don't know how to compile it.Someone could do it, I''ll send the C source (assembly too, if it ispossible). Too I need how use it on the Psion.

With this simple program I'll get the MFLOPS and MIPS.

I have the program C compiled for windows. I can send to you if you want,so you will can measure how fast is it (no all is measured, only a basicspeed).

In example I get this data:(I'm calculating MFLOPS and MIPS yet)

DATA:

Pentium 4 CPU 1.80GHz (Family 15 Model 2 1.8 GHz Stepping 4)

256MB de RAM

MS Windows XP Home 2002

Memory virtual = Phisical + Hard disk(1.5*Física) = 618MB

18.62GB Disco duro

Caché L1 = ?

Caché L2 =haven't ?

n t(msg) wgauss t(msg) wgauss-opt

----- ------------- -----------------

16 0.0036774 0.0022432

32 0.012013 0.0063490

64 0.042120 0.030644

128 0.20369 0.17726

256 0.91373 0.85120

512 3.4670 3.3488

Pentium 3 CPU 451MHz (GenuineIntel Familia 6 Modelo 7 451 MHz Rev. 2)128MB RAM

Windows 98

Mem virtual = 2080MB (automatic)

7.85GB Hard Disk

caché L1= ?

caché L2 = 512K

n t(msg) wgauss t(msg) wgauss-opt

----- ------------- -----------------

16 0.010544 0.007284

32 0.040760 0.025222

64 0.15632 0.11744

128 0.93820 0.77708

256 5.2280 4.5334

512 20.708 19.258

n = matrix size

t(msg) wgauss = execution mean time (ms) wgauss without optimized

t(msg) wgauss-opt = execution mean time (ms) wgauss optimized

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Date: 21/11/2002 7:06:03 pm

From: vlad arghir

Subject: morality & aesthetics ;-)

> Epoc Digest wrote:

> Personally I don't think we can

> blame .... after a reasonable period.

I certainly agree. But for some the problem remains. I'd tend to trustsubjective sense of morality and justice here. A discussion probably _won't_lead to an agreement as to what is "every" effort to locate..., "reasonable"period of time, and other "commonsense"... ya know...

please applaud

Euan Mee,

who said:

> For me, the moral issue of payment goes away /only/ when the

> author/publisher/rights holder stops making payment possible.

> The legal issue never goes away, until there is an explicit permission> granted by the author/publisher/rights holder.

> The issue of /enforcement/ of the law goes away when there is no

> author/publisher/rights holder 'asserting their moral rights'.

... this doesn't solve the problem, but is very clear imo ...

best

vlad

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Date: 21/11/2002 8:03:15 pm

From: "Steve Hodgson"

Subject: Re: Shareware - illegal use

> Incidentally, Steve Hodgson may not remember the legal and moral

> arguments

> in the UK about "squatting". People even "squatted" in Centrepoint (a> central

> London office block!) and many couldn't easily be legally evicted

> (those who

> paid for the utilities/services they used and did no damage).

I agree totally that it's a difficult distinction to make betweenlegality (probably quite clear cut with regard to Shareware cracking)and morality (in this case, flexible enough to become therationalisation we use to get what we want). I would still maintainthat condoning software cracking is not the solution to deadapplications. To my mind, the only moral alternative is for the user

to develop a replacement for the beloved application or (where that isbeyond one's abilities) shout loudly about the need for a newapplication. There is probably just about enough expertise in the EPOCcommunity that applications may be developed to fill a real need ifsufficient people are interested.

At the end of the day though, there may be no alternative but to moveon. I felt a lot of sympathy for Philip S. Adkins Potter with regard

to trying to get in touch with Mark Esposito. I really liked thepotential of NotePad Deluxe for the EPOC machines but it just seemed tofade away as an almost complete application. It took a long time to

get any indication from Mark that it probably wouldn't develop any morebut the web site still promises great things for 1999! Mark's responseto me was that financially things did not work out very well and uptakeof the application was very low and there was therefore little reason

to continue development.

For a long time now I've been a great fan of TextGroup and it waspractically the first application I registered for my Series5 way backwhen. For the last few years I've tried to contact David Spooner quitea few times to discuss future development but there have never been anyreplies. My view on this now is that I either have to live with quirksand niggles of the program or just continue to look for an alternative.

Much of this is just a side effect of the (relatively) poor penetrationof Psion and the associated lack of return on shareware compounded byPsion withdrawal from the consumer market. Think how few people of thepeople you know use a Psion. Now think what proportion of them haveever tried any application other than the in-built ones. We are at oneend (the geek end) of the Gaussian distribution of shareware use. Ireckon that for many of the shareware developers it was a labour of

love and a chance to play with new toys rather than a valuable incomeand almost all of them have moved on now. Think how rare it is to seean application updated (or even a new application released for ER5)compared to the days when the Psion newsletters and web sites containedloads of updates every day. Those days are gone, this problem is goingto get worse rather than better.

Regards,

Steve Hodgson

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Date: 21/11/2002 8:56:49 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Re: Ser.7 and Revo/ Mako

<< Question to Alan Morris

You say you use Ser. 7 and a Revo/ Mako to carry around. >>

Also received as an e-mail, so answered direct. (e-mails get read/answeredbefore digests, when busy, so I've only just seen this)

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion & Nokia 6210e.

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Date: 21/11/2002 9:25:39 pm

From: "Philip Crookes"

Subject: RE: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 114

-----Original Message-----

From: Epoc DigSent: 21 November2002 16:52

To: EpocDigest

Subject: EPOC DIGEST V1 # 114

In Epoc Digest 113, Steve Hodgson wrote:

>> Even on grounds of practicality, who can make the judgement >> that anauthor has 'disappeared'? To take a couple of

>> hypothetical examples, say an author reappeared

>> after a long-term illness or prison

>> sentence - have they somehow lost the right to

>> an income from [their] product ... because

>> they failed to respond to queries > and correspondence?

> On grounds of practicality, I'd say an author

> has disappeared when it becomes impossible

> for someone to give them money in return

> for a registration key, for some extended

> period of time - say four months?

I'd support that - and I'd say that if the rights

owner reappeared and made it possible to pay the regular

price for the product, I'd expect to make that payment.

But if they reappeared and said I should just stop

using it, I think I would say no.

There's at least an argument in law that

the owner can be said to have abandoned the

product and therefore allowed it to enter

the public domain.

Philip

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Date: 21/11/2002 9:29:57 pm

From: "Henri Spagnolo"

Subject: Re: MenuS5 limitations / Morality

To: Astrid

I do not reply for MenuS5, but for the other topic: Morality. For MenuS5, Iwill just give few words on it, but I will never try to change your mind,this is what you think and you are free, my work has not the presumption tobe pleasing to everybody.

The only limitation of MenuS5 is the fact that you can't remove or move anentry or rename a page.

I am sorry, but these limitations does not affect in any case how theprogram works. This is a choice, some programers do prefer to give only 15or 30 days, other like me prefer to have a program that's work without timelimitations.

Concerning Morality, you give an example of an Euro or a wallet you find,and I will agree with what you do with it, but I am sorry, in term ofsoftware they are under the COPYRIGHT protection. I can't understand why youwant absolutely to register a software which has been abandonned. If a bookis not available anymore, will you photocopy it to make it available toeverybody?

What you maybe forget, is the fact that even if an author has removed hisweb page, the program is still present somewhere on Internet or on some CDs,so what can he do. Who is stupid, the author that have not been able to makedisappear totally his program, or the user that wants absolutely to registersomething that does not exists anymore? In any case, you have no rights onthis software without the author agreement and the author is not forced toprovide you with maintenance for life, you buy a product and you get it, ifyou discover errors, then the author should do something.

Now that I have read all these topics (Regit, Revtran, etc...) on thisdigest, I really look forward to have retail version of software or code onit.

Regards

Henri

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Date: 21/11/2002 11:58:33 pm

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: USB GIrBIL, Shareware - illegal use, ER3/5 programs,

Answer to: Andy Nott

Re: USB GIrBIL - Sorry I can't help you with the problem. However, AFAIK the5MX, S7 and Revo all use the same serial lead and you can use the

same cable for all 3 machines. Why do you change the cable ?

Answer to: Philip Carlisle

Re. Shareware & illegal use - I don't think you bought the right withshareware software to pass it on to third people, certainly not againstpayment. The legal situation has been defined clearly in one of the earlierdigests. My personal feeling is that once a software writer has clearlygiven up any interest in and/or support of a certain program, one should beable to pass it on to others. However, that is just my feelings.

Answer to: Owen

Re. ER3/5 programs - I don't think that anyone person by him/herself shouldhandle money like that, and as the people on this digest don't know eachother and live in a variety of countries, it would be hard to set up. Itwold be a better idea to give the money straight to charity. If we can trustthe person in question, can we not also trust the members of the digest ?

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

The Epoc Digest Team

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Date: 22/11/2002 12:34:08 pm

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Holidays &temporary unsubscribe

The holiday period is coming up again and many of the subscribers will beaway from their desks. To avoid getting many "out of office" messages sentto the digest I would like to remind you all of the special feature of ourdigest.

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The Epoc Digest Team

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Date: 22/11/2002 3:27:27 pm

From: Andy Hayes

Subject: EpocVNC

Hi All

Is anyone using this piece of software to dial into a PC (or other box)using a mobile phone? I can't get it to work and am looking for somepointers. I might just have missed the obvious!

Thanks

Andy Hayes

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Date: 22/11/2002 8:26:43 pm

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: 9210 wish list

Reply to Ashley:

Subject: 9210 wish list

I haven't yet heard one person saying the 9210 has adequate free memory.Let's hope Nokia sorts out this out soon. Yes, I'd like something like thesimple Data program on ER5 but I find PowerData is a good alternative, if alittle too comprehensive.

I like the thought that I can take mine away for a whole weekend, knowingthat one full charge will easily cope, no matter how much I use it. It'snice to know we have finally reached the stage where a TFT colour screen andgood battery life go hand in hand. Fancy a shock? Well, just open up your5mx (if you still have it) and try going back to that screen - bet you can't:-)

I just love the handsfree option - it's better quality than any otherspeakerphone I've used. It's so handy for using in the car too.

<most useful programme iswitcher www.ki-ag.de

shows available memory, and allows closing down of programmes, andtheability to do a software reset without removing the battery.>

I use Taskman which performs basically the same function but it's essentialsoftware for such a memory crippled device.

I only have Web but your 9210 is probably a later version that shipped withOpera. I never liked Opera V5.12/3 on my Psion but perhaps the ER6 versionis more refined?

All agreed there!

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 22/11/2002 9:09:58 pm

From: Ashley

Subject: Appology for MIME, email on 9210

Sorry to all, I thought I sent my message as plain text. I should havelooked further into the menu path to find plain text (no mime)

Kevin Thorne asked about the Epocdigest on a Nokia 9210.

I use my 9210 for the digest. Today to log on and download 12 e-mails, 3mins 43 seconds.

Time to open digest No114 11 seconds.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes

Ashley

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Date: 22/11/2002 11:15:43 pm

From: Alan Morris

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest and DigHandler sw

Jan R Gustafsson wrote:-

<< Rolf Vonau is .... the author of DigHandler, a software which makesreading and other handling of postings to the Digest very easy andstraightforward. However, I was disappointed to hear the other day that Rolfhas very few registered users of DigHandler. >>

Twrote:-

<< Sure there is a program ... the digest program written by Rolf Vonau.However, it is relaly his "baby" so I suggest you contact him off digest.>>

It would be much better if details of this 'Digest specific' app were postedto the Digest, then maybe more would know about it, evaluate it and thenregister it.

Does it work on S7, S5 & Revo screens?

Actually, this Digest is rather poor at providing a URL for productsmentioned. On the NGs, I frequently mention apps in my postings and alwaysgive a URL.

Alan R Morris, G4ENS.

Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, UK.

Using a Psion 7 & Nokia 6210e

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