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Epoc Digest Tue, 14 Jan 2003 Volume 01 : Number 147

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In today's Epoc Digest 27 messages:

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- Re: Tablet Devices

- Re: Sony Clie

- Re: Dana

- Re: SonyEricsson P800

- Re: System Files

- Symbian based FOMA smartphone

- Re: CF reader and Macintosh

- Exporting Agenda find list, mail folders

- edit psion data files on PC

- Re: Orange PAYG

- Copying system files on to CF cards EPOC DIGEST V1 # 144

- netBook -- Should I buy

- Psions & GSM Networks

- Re: OPL Question

- Powerbase Tutorials / Modems / Jornada / Sheet / PUG DB / Siemen Pen / Animated Gifs / Spare Battery / Orange PAYG

- Screen cable; new Internet freeware

- Pocketreader

- Re: Psions and GSM networks

- GPRS 6510

- Gold Card Modem,

- Re: Sony sub-notebook

- Re: PAYG and data

- Some warnings about PAYG with data

- UIDs from Symbian

- netBook power connector

- Re: PAYG and data

- To Errol Pillemer

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:05 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Tablet Devices

Arent,

<< .. my suggestion is that Psion could do more to market them at the generic business market (Think company-wide issue of this type of device , not just the warehousing and dispatch departments ) >>

I may have escaped you, but Psion-Teklogix actually sells the netBook in the vertical application market. Irrespective of the vertical application being corporate, industrial, scientific or (semi-)governmental.

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:08 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Sony Clie

Dear James,

<< After 12 years of using Psions from the Organizer 2, Series 3a, Series 5 and Revo I finally made a switch to the Palm platform to give it a try especially the colour screen >>

It may be pedantic, but isn't a good idea to mention which of the Clié models you're using? And, by the way, it's the Organiser II (with an s) as it's a British device.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:11 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: Dana

Dear Jim,

<< I've been reading up on the Dana, thinking it might be a good way to check out the Palm OS against my needs >>

Wouldn't it be better to buy a budget model like the Palm Zire M150 or Sony Clié PEG-SL10? Even though they're not state of the PalmOS art and lack a number of features compared to the Dana, Palm Tungsten-W or Sony Clié PEG-NR70V. There's the chance that the PalmOS platform doesn't suit you so that you're left with a device you're not likely to use anymore. A Zire or SL10 won't hurt your wallet as much as a Dana and are much easier to sell on.

I'm also wondering why you'd like to check out PalmOS at this point. Though I understand the lure of experimenting with something completely new, your aim is to get a Dana/PalmOS set-up that's a functional equivalent to the one you currently use. In other words, you're going to spend time, money and effort in order to stand still by following a different route.

Sure, a Dana is less expensive than a netBook but think of the savings you're going to make elsewhere. You don't need to buy new software and/or peripherals. You're not going to spend three times as much on a job because you have to learn how to do the job once more. You won't have to struggle with getting your data out of the Psion and into the Dana. You're not going to be confronted with data set X still being on the Psion while data set Y is already on the Dana - the where do have this [Bleep!] info syndrome. Etc..etc...etc.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:15 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: SonyEricsson P800

Dear Andrew,

<< From this, am I right in thinking the SE P800 doesn't use T9? >>

It doesn't.

<< Sounds like a backward step to me, or have they replaced it with a better system...? >>

I'd agree when the P800 would be an ordinary phone. Thing is that SonyEricsson gives you three methods for entering text on the P800. When the flip is closed you can use the keypad on the flip in the traditional manner. When the flip is open you can use an on-screen context-sensitive keyboard or use handwriting recognition. Context-sensitive meaning that some on-screen keys become one-tap rather than two-tap keys depending on what you're doing. Tcharacter will be a one-tap key when writing an e-mail but a two-tap key when writing an SMS message.

Note that these are the *standard* methods. I doubt SonyEricsson will object to Tegic releasing a Symbian OS 7 version of T9. Or that Fitali and Fitali Stamp are ported to it.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:18 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: System Files

Dear Keith,

<< Let's say I have an app on my machine which had an opx file created 1 years ago, and I install another app today which has the same opx file name but was an older version created 2 years ago, will the older version overwrite the newer version? >>

When the developer follows the Symbian guidelines (s)he will ensure that the installer checks the version number of the OPX against the version number of the OPX already present.

<< How do I insure that I have the latest version to backup? >>

You normally don't have to worry about this. The applications you install will either work with the OPXs already present or add their own to the OPX directory. The backup will then contain a snapshot of the 'OPX population' at the time you make the backup.

In case an applications has the temerity to overwrite an OPX by an older version you'll notice it quickly enough. One of the other applications on the Psion will start to complain about xxxx.OPX. Reinstall this application and you get the right OPX back. It's therefore recommended to keep a separate backup copy of the SIS install files of all the applications you're using.

I have such a backup on my PC plus a backup in a directory called SIS Install on two CF cards. The first card is the one I always have in my Psion - a 256 MByte SanDisk Ultra at the moment. The other CF card is a 128 MByte SanDisk I keep in my carrier bag. The latter card also contains backup copies of my most important files - the ones I can't do without.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:23 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Symbian based FOMA smartphone

To those who are interested,

I found the following news item on The Register (www.theregister.com) dated Dcember 10, 2002.

[Quote]

The first Symbian OS 3G smartphone is to start shipping to NTT DoCoMo. Made by Fujitsu the F2051 FOMA phone is also the first Symbian OS handset designed specifically for the Japanese market, incorporating a jointly developed "wholly new user interface"...

[Unquote]

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 21:33:26 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: CF reader and Macintosh

Dear Mark,

<< Yes never copy system folder files from the psion to the CF... >>

There's no problem in copying system file to CF card as long as you know what you're doing. When you want to have a safety copy of the C drive contents it's best to copy to a directory so that OPX files are not in the \System\OPX search path but in (say) \Backup_C\System\OPX.

<< I have tried 6 different CF card and 2 readers and they always do weird things to the CF cards >>

I see that you refer to a Macintosh. Don't know how it is with the latest versions of Mac OS and OS X, but I needed to mount non-Mac diskettes as PC diskettes when I worked with Macs quite some time ago. Doesn't the same apply to CF cards as they use the same FAT storage format as PCs? What you describe looks as if the Mac treats the CF card as Mac format.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 22:17:15 +0100

From: Kevin Thorne

Subject: Exporting Agenda find list, mail folders

Oh dear. I've found another limitation on my 9210. Yesterday I put a search on a particular repeating Agenda entry to see which dates in the future these entries fell upon and noticed the Nokia only lists the first instance of the repeat - not all the relevant entries within the search period as on the ER5 Psions. This is actually quite annoying as one can appreciate! I can remember the Psion 3 being able to not only display in list form exactly what you searched for but could print out the result as well! As we move forever forward we seem to lose more and more functionality. Anyway, end of moan. But whilst on this subject, ER5 can do a halfway house i.e. it can display all searched entries but as far as I know, cannot export this data - in fact I'm sure it can't! Is there any workaround to this? I know I could probably take a screenshot of the list and then use something (nConvert?) to manipulate the image but I'd rather have a printout or a text export to a file (some of my search results are very long and taking screenshots would involve multiple shots).

Also, my apologies if I've asked this before, but anyone know if the mail folders in ER6 suffer from the same problem as in ER3/5 i.e. the program gradually slows down as the folder gets more and more emails stored? I ask this because (a) the Nokia uses MMC for storage, not CF (which may involve read/write speed differences) and (b) I'm not sure if the filing structure is handled differently in ER6.

Regards

Kevin Thorne

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 22:17:43 +0100

From: "Andreas Bergh"

Subject: edit psion data files on PC

Hi,

could anyone please tell me if there exists a windowsprogram that can be used to edit epoc data files without conversion?

I remember having a program like that when I had my Psion 3, but i need it now when I use a revo plus!

feel free to reply

/andreas

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 22:45:15 +0100

From: "Jason Garbutt"

Subject: Re: Orange PAYG

Reply to Kevin Thorne Subject: Orange PAYG

Kevin & others,

I think there is an alternative way of tackling this issue, my Orange contract is reaching it's 1 year milestone and as my mobile usage has reduced I have been looking at alternatives - the answer I've come up with is to use Orange's value promise, which lets you switch to another networks pricing tariff whilst staying on Orange and keeping all your Orange services. I am planning to switch to the Virgin mobile tariff which has NO monthly fee (you just pay for your calls) - as I understand it all my other services are unaffected - so I'll continue paying £4/month for my 0.5MB GPRS usage, which is more than adequate for my needs. If Digestives would like some feedback, I'll let you know once I've switched, and confirm (hopefully) that data access is unaffected.

Regards,

Jason

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Date: 12 Jan 2003 23:11:37 +0100

From: Tony Napier

Subject: Copying system files on to CF cards EPOC DIGEST V1 # 144

I have done this repeatedly as a convenient backup procedure (both 5 mx and S7) and restored as well without realising there could be a problem. It does on the surface seem a robust way of keeping everything very safe. Have I been lucky to get away with this?

About handy applications I use Roger Muggletons "locatiofor converting OS grid references to latitude;longitude coordinates for adding new venues to overlays on routeplanner & city maps. A very useful find.

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 01:01:18 +0100

From: "Woody B"

Subject: netBook -- Should I buy

I live in the US.. and am a happy owner of a Psion 5 and 5MX, but my birthday is coming... (june) ;-) and was pondering the netbook. Looking at the USA Psion site it indicates the netBook goes for $1300. plus shipping and other goodies.

I've read that Clove has them for sale in the UK. I'd like some advice if it is practical to buy from Clove and have it sent here. What would I do about a power adapter? What goodies should I get with it... regardless of where I purchase? Does Clove even ship to the US? .. Has anyone done this?

Any info accepted. WoodyB

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 01:06:35 +0100

From: Manuel Campos Galvan

Subject: Psions & GSM Networks

Answer to Edward Curtis:

I have been using for about 4 years Ominpoint that became Voicestream, whcoh became T-Mobile with my Psion. I have been using for the last three years my trusty Ericsson T28 World phone with the DI28 infrared adapter both throughout the US and in Europe with no problems whatsoever. I use it for e-mail and browsing (which is really exasperating because of the low speed once I got used to the high speed network at the office).

I just bought my wife the new (in the US) Ericsson T68 which has a built in infrared port and the psion works perfectly (both my 5mx with the connectivity update and my Netbook).

Hope this helps

Manuel Cam

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 03:19:17 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: Re: OPL Question

Howdy!

Philip Bister wrote (> ):

> In OPL a string array is declared like this:

> LOCAL a$(5,10)

> This would declare an array of 5 strings, each up

> to 10 characters in length.

> You can then fill the array:

> a$(1)="Hello" :a$(2)="this" :a$(3)="is"

> :a$(4)="the" :a$(5)="data"

Yes, I knew that. I was looking for a more elegant solution as I've got a big array to fill with constants. Is there nothing similar to Data and Read in Basic? How would I go about storing the data in a file and reading from that?

--... ...-- ..-. .-. --- -- Owen

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An elephant built by the Japanese.

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Dublin City Moorings

http://home.no.net/naomij

Phone and SMS:

In Ireland: +353 (0)87 7474173

In Norway: +47 92053097

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 08:31:48 +0100

From: Andy Hayes

Subject: Powerbase Tutorials / Modems / Jornada / Sheet / PUG DB / Siemen Pen / Animated Gifs / Spare Battery / Orange PAYG

Hi All

I have just connected a stack of hard drives to my laptop (via the good old USB hard drive box) in search of the electronic files that made up the Powerbase tutorials that I had the foresight to print from the Foxpop site back in July 99. Needless to say the electronic files are long since gone. So I can't help anyone who wants them. The printout is resplendent in comb-binding so please don't ask me to take it apart! If there are any questions that I can help with I would only be too pleased if I can. I may be a little rusty though. The CD may be worth the investment though from Foxpop.

Moshe asked about modems. Look at www.3jtech.com for their Pegasus modems. I have had the Pegasus 2 and still have a 3 somewhere.

Peter advised that the Jornada 7XX series has been discontinued according to his source. I would advise all of you 5mx owners to dash out and buy a Jornada as soon as you can. It must be the nearest non-EPOC device to the 5mx with the extra functionality of a modem. Mine is in use daily purely because of its almost flawless ability to sync with Outlook on my laptop. But it should shouldn't it!?

The Jornada has made me think of another program that I use almost every day. Occasionally I get the opportunity of a lunch break, so I get out of the building and away from my users. I might sit in a cafe having a bowl of soup. The app that entertains me is MobiPocket Reader. As the laptop is plugged into the network and therefore a proxy server, MobiPocket downloads The Register every day which auto syncs to the Jornada. The Register, for those that don't read it is an IT newspaper which makes interesting reading, especially as they are obviously not fans of Microsoft! This app also runs on the EPOC platform and connecting an EPOC device to the laptop automatically syncs Mobipocket files. There are other publications that you can download, but these are of little interest to me. By the way, for those that don't know, its freeware. Go to www.mobipocket.com You can also download books, some free, some not.

Kit's use of Sheet sounds very useful. I think that it would convince my employer that I am militant though if I started counting the extra hours that I do at work (unpaid!).

I asked if anyone had a legal copy of the Psion User Group database application that they would like to sell. Not a single response. Can I now ask another question, does or has anyone on the list use(d) this application. Is it any good? What is its name?

For those considering the Siemens OCR pen. I seem to remember a review, possibly on the ARMLink site that tested the pen against the CPen. The CPen was said to be the most accurate. I bought a CPen. It has had very little use, but still makes an interesting toy.

Its years since I have done anything about this, but didn't Microsoft give away a free gif animator? If it is an HTML page can't you just click on an animated GIF, save it then open it up in whatever the Microsoft Gif Animator was called? If I am not mistaken that then showed you the individual frames which you could save as GIFs and then convert them with something like PaintShop Pro. Its a good few years ago though so you may have to excuse my addled brain.

Just to prove that my mind is really going these days. I bought a spare battery for the netBook a few months ago and I have put it somewhere safe. Anyone got any ideas where it might be because I can't bloody find it? I live in a two bedroomed bungalow on my own (so there's no-one to tidy my stuff away to a place that I can't find it). Good job I don't live in a sprawling mansion!

Kevin's discussion about data on Orange continues. I had two phones, both on Orange, one contract, the other PAYG. I took the sim out of the payg phone and put it into the 6210e and tried to connect. It seemed to start to dial and then bleeped and stopped dialling at the point of connecting. As I am sure that you will be told before this appears on the list. There are companies that data enable their sims in pay as you talk phones. My T-Mobile PAYT SIM is data enabled out of the packet. I remember Mike McC saying that the same was also true of Virgins (the phone people - not people inexperienced in certain ways of the world!)

Andy Hayes

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 09:20:21 +0100

From: ""

Subject: Screen cable; new Internet freeware

Hi all,

just wanted to let you know that the central german site for Psion enthusiasts (www.psionwelt.de) informs that you can order a replacement screencable for the Psion 5mx for 30 Euros incl. postage (also outside of germany). This is not the original cable, but from a second source without the holes that are a main cause for the breakages. If you want to order one or has some questions, pls. send a mail to: neo.-

There is also some newly developed freeware for internet usage available: one does allow you to receive some informations:

1.NIF Info - request for network interface status and current IP address of your machine.

2.Lookup - utility used to get information about domain names and IP addresses from DNS service.

3.Whois - utility used to get register information about domains and persons from special whois-servers.

4.Ping - utility for testing connectivity with remote hosts.

5.Trace - utility that helps to check and diagnose a root to the remote host.

You can downlaod it at:

http://itnat.kbsunet.ru/~vkv/psion/netutils/netutils_en.htm

The other, even more interesting piece of software is a little FTP-Server for Psion. You can download him under:

http://itnat.kbsunet.ru/~vkv/psion/ftp-server/ftp_en.htm

Regards,

Roman

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 10:09:40 +0100

From: Darryl Kempster

Subject: Pocketreader

For Jan R Gustafsson and Trygve

I bought a Siemens Pocket Reader from Maplins over a year ago for £30. Cable cost me another £20 on top of that but found it too unreliable so never ended up using it. Has to be a certain size text for accurate results, pen has to be totally vertical and speed of travel constant. Very fiddly. Now have a Cpen (£100) which is a lot easier to use but just as tricky sometimes!

Anyway a shop on London's Tottenham Court Road had a whole window display of Pocket Readers. Has had for quite some time so I assumed they'd bought up the remaining stock. I'll be in London in 10 days so could check for you if they still sell them and post the contact details etc. Let me know if you'd like me to find out.

Darryl

Heading south from Bradford

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 12:21:00 +0100

From: ALYG

(Andrew Longdon)

Subject: Re: Psions and GSM networks

Edward J. Curtis, Jr. wrote:

> I'd welcome any information about which of the new cell phones work > well with GSM and Psions, particularly the Revo or Mako.

My understanding is that in order for a mobile 'phone to work in the US it needs to be "Tri-Band". And in order to allow the Psions to communicate with the outside world they need a built-in modem. Unfortunately, the catalogue I'm looking at doesn't say which models have a modem, however, the following models are Tri-Band:-

Motorola: V66, V60.

Nokia: 7210, 6310i (this DOES have a modem), 6610.

Panasonic GD87

Siemens S55.

SonyEricsson: T68, T68i (this DOES have a modem), T200, T300.

I'm assuming that any 'phone with an integral modem will have the ability to communicate with the Psion, either by IR, or datacable. The latter will need a connector called a Null Modem.

ie Psion RS232 cable--->NullModem--->Mobile's Datacable

> Sorry if this comes across as provincial

There's nout provincial about NYC :-)

,\ndy

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 13:27:15 +0100

From: Colin Messer

Subject: GPRS 6510

Itamar wrote:

> Re. GPRS 6510 - A word of caution. I don't know which

> network you use and what terms you have got, but specially

> when surfing the net the costs of GPRS can be considerable!

> It is definitely NOT a cheap option. Look at your phone in

> Menu -> Call Register -> GPRS Data Counter to see how

> much Kb you sent and received to calculate the cost.

I didn't know about the data counter on the 6510, thanks.

So either unusably slow on GSM or prohibitively expensive on GPRS.

I picked the lowest volume GPRS package Vodafone offered. GPRS1 GBP6.38 for 1MB per month. If I exceed GPB14.89 (about 3MB) then I'll change to GPRS5 for 5 MB per month.

Correct me if my memory is faulty but I remember GMS being cheaper for email due the hand-shaking required. I would expect my bill of GPRS to be higher as i am looking at as many as 10 times the pages.

Do I also recall that you put together a sheet of test comparing GSM and GPRS for speed and cost? I would find such a sheet most useful to see before I test my own usage.

Regards

Colin Messer

Twickenham

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 14:02:10 +0100

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Gold Card Modem,

Answer to : renee ford

Re. Gold Card Modem - Just as you think you' heard most applications of the Psions along comes a new one. Wow, all the way in Nepal "under fire" and you have the "guts" to play solitaire ? Just amazing how we use our Psions and how much interest there is from anyone we show it. As to the modem cards, I just bought one myself through eBay for abt. Usd 20.- (it was in English Pounds). It is a good source for 2nd hand Psion parts and bobs. But next time I would find a somewhat more quiet holiday destination.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 14:53:14 +0100

From: "Edgar Brazda Ph.D."

Subject: Re: Sony sub-notebook

Itamar wrote:

>Re. Sony sub-notebook - Tonight I saw at Heathrow airport the Sony C1->MHP sub-notebook. I was mighty impressed but for the price (Gbp 1,660.-). >It is actually smaller than the S7, a good colour screen, keyboard very >similar to the S5 series and S7/netBook, but with full PC function

Hi, I even tried one in a Tot Court Road shop, and found a very interesting problem: the Windows system is generally designed for min. 1024x768 resolution. (In case of 640x480 res. large part of the menus, etc. simply does NOT fit onto the screen, while the scrollbars, etc. are unnecessarily wide).

But higher res. produces an unreadable, useless screen on the Sony sub-notebook, much worse than the S7/netBook. I checked the contrast and IMHO it was the same razor mirror type like an S7, usable only in the dark corner of the shop.

PS: It was before Christmas, and you are right, Itamar, with the wide red ribbon around it in the shop-window it was charming.

Edgar, Budapest

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 18:12:52 +0100

From: Stephan Block

Subject: Re: PAYG and data

In EPOC DIGEST V1 # 144 , "Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN" wrote on 9 Jan 2003 09:59:05 :

> Could anyone give me a breakdown on the availability of data on the

> French PAYG chips?

I use a French Orange (=France Telecom) PAYG SIM card, which has been WAP and Data enabled by default (with the usual PAYG restriction that INCOMING data and fax calls are not possible). As for the other two French operators, SFR and Bouygues Télécom, I don't know if their PAYG SIM cards are data-enabled.

Sincerely

Stephan Block, Lyon, France

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 18:39:28 +0100

From: Thomas F.VAN DER ZIJDEN

Subject: Some warnings about PAYG with data

Hello group,

Yesterday I talked with a fellow of the judicial section of the Dutch Consumers Union about my unfortunate history with my network that suddenly charges my data minutes separately. We came up with some conclusions that might be interesting to the people who want to escape their contract in order to go for PAYG:

- When you have a deal made with your network this only explicitly involves "calls". By the definition of a (non-techy) judge a "call" is by definition a voice call. You do not have any agreement about data. The fact that it *works* does not mean you have the *right* on it. The network can immediately stop the data access, or charge you outrageous tariffs for it. Dutch 06760 internet access numbers can go up to 1 to 2 euros per minute in PAYG.

- The fact that it *worked* does not automatically give you "gewoonterecht" (right of habit). This is hard to declare, because networks can make errors and you stroke lucky.

- In fact, data access *is* usually an error. The networks meant it to be used for their own WAP number, not for Psioneers who surf off to Wanadoo or Freeserve (and then Wanadoo and Freeserve come to the telco to demand their money).

- If data access on PAYG will be banned, it will be a driving force to contracts. Thus it will be banned in the foreseable future.

- Contract tariff lists do often contain some information on data. This was the case with me. Both voicemail and data minutes cost (according to www.ben.nl) "beltarief" (standard tariff of the subscription). What I had to understand from these simple words "beltarief" (according to the customers service) is that the frist one means "extracted from the included minutes" and the second one "separately charged". Yeah right...

In short, contracts give you perhaps *some* rights on data access, with PAYG it is likely that it will be dumped in the future... and you have no rights to complain.

Sorry for the slight OT sujet, but I think we Psioneers are the group that consumes the most mobile data minutes of all mobile network clients, so this can be interesting.

(Remember the first years at the customers department: "Whud! Internet with our phone! Impossible!)

Yours truly,

Thomas van der Zijden

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 19:12:55 +0100

From: "Tim Johnson"

Subject: UIDs from Symbian

A question to all software writers...

I have emailed Symbian (in accordance with the instructions in thier Knowledgebase) twice in the last 2 weeks to ask for UIDs for some software and, to date, received no reply.

Has anyone else had similar problems and perhaps found another way of doing this?

Does anyone have a spare UID that I could use;-)?

Thanks

Tim Johnson

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 19:50:09 +0100

From: "Tony Cabot"

Subject: netBook power connector

Hello Trygve,

I haven't had any problems with the power connector on my netBook; probably becasue it came with a docking station which doesn't use the plug. However, I would love to know how to get inside without breaking anything. I have installed the MP3 player and would like to see if there is room, perhaps at that square punch out by the left hinge, to install an earphone plug. If you put pictures, etc. on your web site please let us know the address. Thanks,

Tony Cabot

*****Original Message*****

Date: 12 Jan 2003 19:37:51 +0100

From: Trygve Henriksen

Subject: Psijong, netBook power connector...

Greetings!

<<SNIP>>

Now for something more serious...

Today I finally decided to do something about the ailing power connection on my netBook...

I dismantled the machine(the warranty was already void, so...)

Cleaned out the crud... (You wouldn't believe how much crud it collects in a few years :-)

Then removed the motherboard and turned it over...

<<SNIP>>

I'll probably post an howto on my pages when I do. (Need to locate my digital camera and buy a new drill bit for my Dremel first)

:-)

Trygve

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 21:29:40 +0100

From: Rolf Brunsting

Subject: Re: PAYG and data

Dear Thomas,

<< I find it funny, that the English call this system "Pay-as-you-go". The Dutch word for it is "prepaid card" ... >>

The generic term is pre-pay. Pay-as-you-Go is the brand name for a pre-pay account from one of the UK mobile network operators (T-Mobile, the former One2One). The Dutch branch of network operator Vodafone (the former Libertel) also uses a brand name : iZI.

<< To my knowledge Dutchtone (=Orange) and Ben (=T Mobile) .... >>

Errrmmm ... the Dutchtone brand is owned by France Telecom which also owns the Orange brand. Ditto for Deutsche Telekom owning the T-Mobile and Ben brands.

<< O2 offers this also and they have distributed approximately 150 000 free PAYG phones to introduce M-banking to Postbank clients ... >>

These people have a Postbank (the Dutch version of the Giro Bank) account. With Telfort (now O2) supplying the mobile network services and ING the banking and on-line payment services.

<< These particular chips are different from the standard O2 chips ... >>

The SIM cards are no different - the services linked to the account are.

<< I don't know about Vodafone. They have just taken over Vizzavi from Vivendi and that is now their own WAP/data portal ... >>

Vodafone has always used Vizzavi as its WAP portal/gateway. Vizzavi was a joint venture between Vivendi Universal and Vodafone. Vivendi's financial troubles have resulted in Vodafone buying Vivendi's stake in Vizzavi so that it's now 100% Vodafone owned.

A pre-pay Vodafone iZI account offers WAP services but no generic fax and data services. An iZI account can now be extended with Vodafone Live! MMS services.

<< The Dutch 06760 numbers are heavily overcharged (in contracts as well as PAYG) compared to normal phone numbers >>

Don't blame the mobile operators for this. It's the result of KPN changing to its "new" Internet infrastructure. The "new" Internet has its own tariff structure and the mobile operators have no influence on it.

Kind Regards,

Rolf Brunsting - Darp - Netherlands

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Date: 13 Jan 2003 21:32:47 +0100

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: To Errol Pillemer

You sent me an e-mail and asked to receive the Beta version of Morse-It. Unfortunately, the e-mail address you sent from bounces with a "unknown user" error. Please try again.

Owen

Thought for the day:

Politicians and babies' diapers should be changed frequently, and for much the same reason.

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-53°20.87'N 6°14.83'W

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