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Epoc Digest Thu, 08 Apr 2004 Volume 01 : Number 495

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In today's Epoc Digest 16 messages:

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- Re: Owen's signature

- RE: GPRS cards in NetBook

- Extracting TomTom maps from newer versions

- Re: Reply to Sig comments

- Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 494 PsiWin 2.3.3 Problem(s)

- Re: Re: Add/Remove Icon

- re: PsiWin 2.3.3 probs #494

- Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 494 Andy Hayes MC218

- MC218 CD

- Neoprene case for netBook?

- Rogue Email Accounts,

- Bluetooth Adapter,

- MC218 CD, Offline Web and My Pocket

- Ericsson R380

- The Evolution of the EPOCdigest

- News from Psion Teklogix

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 04:31:37 +0000

From: Martin Maxwell

Subject: Re: Owen's signature

RE: Owen's signature

>Surely the subject of elaborate signatures being acceptable has more >merit than a signature of dubious content? If so, why complain about the >debate instead of complaining about the signatures?

Totally agree on that.

Let me just also state that I am very much in support of signatures of Owen's type. It adds to the flavour and image of EPOC Digest. It shows the wide variety of EPOC users there are. It also addresses one of the most important weaknesses of text based forums in general; the lack of personality. People find all sorts of means to express their personality, may it be avatars, pseodonyms, quotes, elaborate signatures etc. I find Owen's - in all its simplicity - one of the best and memorable ones I have seen.

Kind regards

Martin Maxwell

Kuala Lumpur - Malaysia

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 05:16:15 +0000

From: Gianluca Gallino

Subject: RE: GPRS cards in NetBook

to Philip Crookes

>>>I recall reading about using Vodafone GPRS cards in a NetBook. What sort

of card should I ask Vodafone to supply? Which ones are known to work, and

which not - seeing this is going to cost around ?200! What other software

should I install?<<<

I am using a Vodafone Connect Card (that is exactly a rebranded Option Globetrotter

triband GSM/GPRS) with my netBook for GPRS internet connections (email/web-browsing

etc...).

For this purpose, a very good reference has been the article called "Wirelessly

connect your Psion S7 to Internet via GPRS" 2002-12-29, found at http://www.portal-pda.com/main.php3

I have started also dealing with SMS (via phoneman pro) but the rate of

successful sendings is about to 50%. I don't know why.

the card works QUITE well. my nB is relatively old and I have some problems

when the signal is not actually strong as it could be.

If you will follow this thread you will know more about it:

http://www.pdastreet.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=32604

Cheers

Gianluca

please keep on supporting the Symbian netBook pro petition on www.petitiononline.com/nbookpro/petition.html

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 06:55:27 +0000

From: Arne Christensen

Subject: Extracting TomTom maps from newer versions

vlad writes:

> Btw, we've had that before, has anyone found a way of extracting the map-.sis docs from the newer version?

With the street maps at least, I have found that the PC installation program produces a .sis file which it stores in the Windows temporary directory. This is so that the .sis installer has a regular file to work on. So there are three things to do:

1) Figure out where that directory is; 2) Copy the file to some other place while the .sis installer runs; 3) Stop the .sis installer.

I have done this for most of the French city maps, which was so boring I can no longer remember the exact procedure I used :-) I think I just disconnected my Psion in order to have "enough" time during step 2 and not mess up the Psion with half-done installations.

For step 1 I found (this I remember) that for city XYZ a directory is created with that same name, with a few files in it. You may use the Windows file search function to locate it. Once found, it's straightforward to figure out where the next one will pop up.

-- Arne

Hoping this is sufficiently Psion-related to keep everyone happy :-(

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 07:23:58 +0000

From: Michael Kennedy

Subject: Re: Reply to Sig comments

Not being one for posting much at all (5 ish posts since the digest started) I feel compelled to post regarding "to signature or not to signature". Guys, this is boring! Haven't you noticed that the number of topics has significantly dropped off? Why is this? I think it's partly because this digest is meant to be EPOC / technical / anything with a plug related (and does this excellently!), but it's becoming less and less so. If this current trend continues I'm sure it wont be too long before the digest stops.

With regards to the signatures debate, can I be so bold as to suggest that we put it to the vote of the masses and close this conversation ONCE AND FOR ALL?? I know this is going to put an additional load onto someone to collate the votes, but I would be willing to do this. If required, I'll set-up an email address and people can send in a yes to allow signatures (of any kind) and a no to ban them completely. After a set period of time we'll announce the results and that'll be that - end of.

Just a suggestion, what do others feel? I feel that should be up to the moderators of the digest to give this the green light as they do all the hard work sending this out everyday.

Michael

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 08:14:51 +0000

From: mnield

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 494 PsiWin 2.3.3 Problem(s)

PsiWin is the worst program I have to use and imho partly responsible for Psion's failure to catch on.

You can, and usually must, close psconserve and elogerr before trying any new action with PsiWin. Press cntrl-alt-delete and select and close them.

It is sometimes not enough to uninstall PsiWin before re-installing the same or another version. After uninstalling clean the windows registry using TuneUp (30 days free and then a good buy) or similar.

If you need to move lots of data, consider getting round PsiWin by buying a cf card and reader, probably on ebay.

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 10:44:05 +0000

From: Martin Guthrie

Subject: Re: Re: Add/Remove Icon

Reply to: Myself (!)

> Reply to: Keith Giles

>> The Add/Remove icon in my Mbook's Control Panel is B&W. How >> can I get it to be colored like the rest of the icons there? >

> Hi Keith,

> The reason that your Add/remove icon has 'gone mono' is

> because another application has added it's own Add/remove

> program (aka. InstApp) to your machine - presumably when

> something was installed from a PC - and this version of

> InstApp has a monochrome icon.

> The solution is simple. Goto c:\System\Controls and delete

> the InstApp.aif and InstApp.Ctl files. Both these files are

> already in your machine's ROM so they don't need to be on

> your c: drive - and the version in your ROM is in colour. Now > opening your Control Panel will automagically reveal

> Add/remove is in colour again! :¬)

Doh! Wrong file names! They should in fact have been InstCtlr.Aif, InstCtrl.Ctl, and InstCtrl. Apologies if I confused anyone.

Best regards,

Martin Guthrie

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www.pscience5.net

www.freepoc.org

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 11:46:26 +0000

From: Kate Head

Subject: re: PsiWin 2.3.3 probs #494

>>Date: 6 Apr 2004 08:41:32 -0500

>>From: Charles H. Davies

>>Subject: PsiWin 2.3.3 Problem(s)

>>After effecting the installation of PsiWin 2.3.3 on a new hard disk I

>>find I have two problems.

>>1. In spite of the fact that I get the wiggly line on the system tray

>>it does not wiggle nor does the system connect.

>>2. On trying to uninstall (to put on an earlier verson of PsiWin) I

>>find that I get the message "Windows is using psconsv.exe close the

>>program and try again" or words to that effect.

>>I can see no way of closing this program down.

>>Suggestions please.

>>Regards

>>CDavies

Hi there,

All very well saying "new hard disk", but an operating system would help too!

Assuming it's WinXP that you're using...

Before you uninstall have you gone into properties in MyPsion (right click and select Properties) to set the COM port that you will be using for the Psion? If it's not set to one it will be trying to access all the COM ports you have and it gets confused! Also it won't always realise that you've plugged the Psion in if the system is doing something else at the time (windoze!).

Once that's done, right click on the line in the system tray and select Connect and that should get the line wiggling as it will know which COM port you want to send/receive data from

If you're using WinXP you will need to use PsiWin 2.3.3 - it certainly works on my laptop!

Good Luck.

All the best,

Kate!!

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 12:11:01 +0000

From: George Cooke

Subject: Re: Epoc Digest V1 # 494 Andy Hayes MC218

Andy,

The MC218 CDROM is available from my site:

http://www.nepc.co.uk/downloads/mc218cd.zip (55MB)

I put it here because it is not available from the Ericsson site any longer.

HTH

George

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 14:24:16 +0000

From: J. Hamwee

Subject: MC218 CD

Andy Hayes wrote in digest 494:

>>I have just realised that my 2nd hand MC218 didn't come with its CD. Can some kind soul from the list (preferably in the UK) send me a copy?

Andy,

I can send you a copy from London; no charge. Please give me your address.

Regards

Joseph

P.S. Haven't we corresponded on this before? I have a feeling of deja vu.

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 15:09:40 +0000

From: "Chris Holly"

Subject: Neoprene case for netBook?

I have a neoprene "Incase" zippered case for my 5mx. It has pockets for CF cards and spare batteries and a pen or two (for those Neanderthals who still use ink and paper I guess). Is there something similar for the netBook? I don't want to lug around an entire laptop case when all I need is the netBook and a couple cards, PCMCIA card, and maybe a spare battery. thanks.

Chris Holly

830 S. Fess Ave.

Bloomington, IN 47401-4946

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 15:51:08 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Rogue Email Accounts,

Answer to: Mike Dyer

Re.: Rogue Email Accounts - Put the cursor in the main screen of the email program on the rogue mailbox in the list and press delete and confirm and the mailbox is gone.

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 15:51:29 +0000

From: Itamar Engelsman

Subject: Bluetooth Adapter,

Answer to: Antony Booth

Re.: Bluetooth Adapter - AFAIK MochaPPP only works with COM1, COM2 or COM3 so it will only work if you can somehow connect via one of these 3 ports (or redirect these internally ?)

Best regards,

Itamar Engelsman

London, UK

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 17:37:38 +0000

From: Will Green

Subject: MC218 CD, Offline Web and My Pocket

Andy, I too didn't have this CD and a very kind digest member posted me a copy. I'll happily supply you a copy if you email me your address. However you can, I discovered after, download the contents still from Erissson's web site. If I remember it's under the support section, drag down the list of phone models and select MC218. However (again) I've never got My Pocket nor Offline web to work. The normal error is “this device isn't registered” or something like that under Offline Web. My Pocket sets up the sychronised folders but when you ask it to do the business, it does nothing! Cheers, Will. Latitude. A dodgy pub in Hull. Longtitude. About 10 minutes till my taxi comes.

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 19:09:13 +0000

From: Thomas F. VAN DER ZIJDEN

Subject: Ericsson R380

Hello group,

I have just ordered a new Ericsson R380 for 74 euros. It has not arrived yet, but can I just beam contacts.cdb and agenda to the Ericsson ? Or does it have to be one contact or one meeting at a time ?

The Ericsson does not come with a cable, so if anyone has an idea were to by this...

At 74 euros I just could not resist, especially when this is the 900/1900 MHz version, meaning that it should work in Houston.

Yours truly,

Thomas van der Zijden

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 21:29:32 +0000

From: Owen H. Morgan

Subject: The Evolution of the EPOCdigest

Dear everyone.

It's now more than half a dozen years since I bought my first Psion Series 5 and joined the UPS5 digest. I have at one time or another been a member of many different e-mail based groups and also had a period where I participated quite frequently in Usenet groups until the SPAM turned this into a loosing battle.

The EPOC community has always been the most enjoyable because of the almost total absence of flames, trolls, moans and long winded off topic discussions. For many years, we managed with only a few very simple ground rules: "Don't post the entire digest in your reply, Don't post in HTML format and avoid excessive quoting of the message you are replying to." The first two are now prevented by the digest software, the last is occasionally sinned against, surprisingly in some cases by the very same people who have been criticising my sigs.

People always knew without being told to keep off topic discussions to a minimum, and the few that ocurred were usually either computer related or humerous or both. Through the years, the atmosphere has always been very friendly, helpful and tolerant. For many years, I looked forwards to the daily UPS5 and later EPOC digest with the same feeling as a child opening a surprise parcel. These days I no longer have that feeling.

A few weeks ago, I stated in an off list e-mail to the digest team that if they started editing my sig, I would leave the list. I was then assured that this would not happen. In digest number 493 I see that the digest team, or possibly an individual member of the team has again removed most of my sig from my second message in that digest. This in spite of my comments the last time this happened, and that the message which was edited included the words: "The one [sig] below is the one I normally use for the digest." after I had discovered that the sig Chris Handley was complaining about was in fact the one I normally use for private e-mail which had been posted to the list by mistake. Removing the sig from my message then made the whole post pointless. I would suggest that the digest team in future announce a change of policy to the members before implementing it.

In the last few months, a couple of relative newcomers to the community have decided they don't like the way things are done on the digest and are trying their best to change it. If they succeed, I would be very surprised if the digest still thrives a year from now. I hope they will be happy with this result. My belief is that it is the sense of community as much as the EPOC palmtops that have kept us together for so long. These individuals are obviously suffering from the misaconception that the digest is a democracy and that their position represents the majority view. The large amount of off list e-mails I have received supporting my position would in fact imply that they belong to a very small minority.

This digest is beeing run almost manually (with the help of Rolf's excellent software) on EPOC palmtops by a group of individuals who are putting in lots of hours of their own time and quite probably a fair bit of money in connection charges to provide a free service. It is up to the digest team to decide the rules of the digest and up to the members to like it or leave. The EPOC digest was set up to replace the UPS5 digest and I for one would have expected the digest team to lay down new ground rules at the outset if they did not wish for a continuation of what we had enjoyed for years on the UPS5.

Now that the digest is in the process of changing in a manner which I don't like, I have decided to step back for a while to reconsider whether participating here is really worth the hassle and expense. This is not only because of the increasingly unfriendly atmosphere, the change of policy from the digest team and the large amount of off topic dross which to me is a lot more out of place than my sig or a couple of lines of occasional humour, but also because I am in the process of running out of funds and have just started to look for work to save up for my voyage to Cape Verde, Senegal, Gambia and across the Atlantic to Brazil in November. At that time I expect I would have to leave the digest anyway.

I am starting to doubt whether the EPOC digest is worth the money I spend on GSM charges to receive it. The money I have spent on GSM charges the 12 months could easily have bought me a month of extra cruising. I have for a long time been aware that participating in the EPOC digest was a luxury I couldn't really afford whilst cruising on a shoestring budget. These days it seems more like a pain in the OS than a luxury.

For the next couple of weeks while I consider my future participation, I will not be posting to the digest or replying on or off list to messages that appear on the digest. I will of course still reply to private e-mails.

I hope the digest will now get back to EPOC matters.

PS. Yesterday I again received an e-mail from someone who had found one of my posts in the digest archive. Thanks to the fact that my sig with my URL appeared in that message, he knew how to contact me and I was able to help him. For the first time ever, I didn't bother to recommend that he joins the EPOC digest.

Owen

Thought for the day:

When the power of love overcomes the love of power,

the world will know peace.

Jimi Hendrix

Owen H. Morgan, Yacht "Naomi J.", LD-9311

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http://home.no.net/naomij

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Date: 7 Apr 2004 22:37:05 +0000

From: Alan Morris

Subject: News from Psion Teklogix

I have just received the following form Teklogix. Now the Workabout is lumbered with Windows. The netBook pro is updated as is the Mobile Devices SDK.

Alan.

>>>>

Product News from Psion Teklogix

New WORKABOUT PRO Hand-held Computer Launched

On March 2, 2004, Psion Teklogix launched the WORKABOUT PRO, a Windows CE .NET based hand-held computer that delivers the flexibility, performance and ruggedness required for data collection in harsh environments, in a very user friendly, ergonomic package. An evolution of the highly customizable Psion Workabout, the WORKABOUT PRO features a wide range of expansion, radio and data input options augmented by extensive device customization capabilities through Psion Teklogix hardware and software development kits. This, combined with the enterprise-focused, highly customizable Windows CE .NET operating system, allows the WORKABOUT PRO to be tailored to the exact needs of a mobile workforce, whether it is in the manufacturing, distribution, field service, meter reading, retail, light duty warehousing or third party logistics markets.

Find out more about the new WORKABOUT PRO here.

Updated Software for NETBOOK PRO Released

Psion Teklogix has released an enhanced software version for the NETBOOK PRO, its enterprise-class mobile computing device. Users now have access to improved features and functionality, including a JVM plug-in for IE, PPPOE, ActiveSync automatic startup w/serial cable connection, USB keyboard support, Backup/Restore via Total Recall, an improved APN manager for GPRS, a new Bluetooth manager and Bluetooth serial port server, full German and French localization, and Nordic, Spanish and Italian keyboard support. The software may be downloaded free of charge from the Mobile Devices SDK on Teknet here. Psion Teklogix strongly advises all current NETBOOK PRO users to upgrade to this latest version of the software on their computers.

Find out more about the updated software here.

Mobile Devices SDK V1.02 Released

Psion Teklogix has released version 1.02 of the Mobile Devices SDK, or software development kit, providing support for developers on the 7535, NETBOOK PRO and netpad hand-held computers built on Microsoft Windows CE .NET 4.2. The updated SDK may be downloaded free of charge from the Mobile Devices SDK on Teknet here.

Visit our website at www.psionteklogix.com for more information about the solutions and services offered by Psion Teklogix.